Minnesota man killed in car during traffic violation for busted tail light.

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  1. Minstrel

    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    There are police departments in every part of the nation and the issue of police reform is a national issue. A discussion about reforming how police do things is something that BLM wants all across the nation, not just in Minnesota. Every shooting by the police has not been in Minnesota.
     
  2. MarAzul

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    Then their demonstration in Dallas was an ill advised shame with no chance of accomplishing a damn thing.

    This is the bull shit they want;
    Their plans calls for:

    • Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones
    • using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face
    • making standards for reporting police use of deadly force
    • independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct
    • having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve
    • requiring officers to wear body cameras
    • providing more training for police officers
    • ending for-profit policing practices
    • ending the police use of military equipment
    • implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct
    Hillary urges them to go for this crap. Looks like a Constitutional amendment would be needed to me. Who the hell besides these jokers wants a national police policy?
    No one. I sure as hell don't want the local police department dictated to by BLM or any other body in another state or the Federal Government.. We have enough damn trouble because that is happening today underhanded by the Government funding local police to enforce laws the Feds have on their agenda.

    In any case, these peanut minds is Dallas had no chance of affecting their foolish goals demonstrating in Dallas and look at the carnage they brought with their fools work.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...klivesmatter_movement_for_dallas_carnage.html

    The BlM and fools like Jeff Hood get people killed. They chanted for dead cop in NY, they got two dead cops. Now five more in Dallas.
    It pisses me off no end to see any of my countryman support this outright anarchy.

    Don't bother responding to this, catch the next rocket shot to Mars, instead. You can lead the effort there.
     
  3. SlyPokerDog

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    Why is some of this bullshit? You yourself have said the police needs more training. What's wrong with body cameras?

    The Portland Police didn't have drug testing for their officers until 2012. Many departments don't have any drug testing.
     
  4. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    So....accountability equals anarchy. Got it. Thank you for the civics lesson........
     
  5. MarAzul

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    More the half the items on the list are foolish:

    • Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones (local matter)
    • using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face (good idea but local matter)
    • making standards for reporting police use of deadly force (Good idea)
    • independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct
    • >>> District Attorneys are responsible for deciding who gets prosecuted including police. Who the hell else do you want doing this?? Your district attorney is elected, if you don't like the way the do the job, hold them accountable! WTF is a demonstration in Dallas to do with this??
    • having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve (Local matter, Dallas has a Black Chief) (We have Black Sherriff in Coos County, perhaps the only Black man in the County but we don't need BLM oversight)
    • requiring officers to wear body cameras (Bull shit but local matter, extra cost)
    • providing more training for police officers (how did they even know this this is needed every where?)
    • ending for-profit policing practices (outstanding recommendation)
    • ending the police use of military equipment (Local issure for sure)
    • implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct (ok but ?? They do get prosecuted now!)
     
  6. Minstrel

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    All of the above seem reasonable. I'm less sure about the community oversight for misconduct, though I do think the community could have some role.
     
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    Where are you getting that they don't want this to be local?

    BLM doesn't want to run your local sheriff's office.
     
  8. MarAzul

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    You are welcome, perhaps your take did not take what I put, but your welcome.
     
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    Not quite, I said they need different policies for the way they do their job. Using tactics that will reduce confrontation and reduce the tendency to resist . Perhaps especially in Black neighborhoods. Long story here, not going to repeat.
    Some may need more training but I doubt that can be made a general statement.

    More cost and it should be a local decision. They can not possible wear enough cameras to get every angle to satisfy all people that want to second guess the prosecutor.

    They want this whole list implemented nationally so I read, their are tracking Presidential candidates for a position on these goals, and Minstrel said so above.

    Good! But it does seem they want to tell him how to do it. I sort of think it should be up to my neighbored and me. And in that capacity, I had a bit of a chat with him a few years back, about all the deputies out there stopping me and other folks about seat belts. It gets to be a pain in the ass, being stopped to see if they can catch you without a seat belt. Well it turns out he gets funding based on stops and convictions from the Federal government. Real bullshit in my view. I sort of had fun with the rookie deputy in court over this though.
     
  10. theprunetang

    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    I think MarAzul is still feeling salty about the "freedom fighters" from Eastern Oregon and now hates anything that can be abbreviated as BLM.
     
  11. MarAzul

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    Minstrel, I am not hostile, perhaps the word you needed is assertive. And I was kidding about the Mars shot.
     
  12. Minstrel

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    Not as a federal (national) law, but locally across the nation. When I said it's a "national issue," I meant that it's something that needs to be discussed and handled all across the nation, not that there needs to be one law across the nation do this. Where BLM holds its protests isn't relevant because the issue matters everywhere. Real change will happen locally, but it should be talked about nationally.
     
  13. MarAzul

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    Ah! the real BLM isn't so bad except for policies that promote cows shitting in the creeks. Getting Cops killed is another thing though, especially with tactics that can hardly result in anything other than chaos and tragedy.
     
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    Now you get it. You've gone from "I don't understand what they want!" to "Now I do understand, I may not agree with it, but I'm having a rational discussion about it."

    All groups have extremists in them but having these types of discussions is all that the majority of BLM supporters are asking for.
     
  15. Minstrel

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    I actually removed that post asking why the hostility as soon as I made it. I initially posted it not because I was hurt, but I was wondering if I was not communicating what I meant, causing anger/annoyance. But I deleted it because I figured asking about hostility might just amp things up further. ;) I don't have any issue with your phrasing or the "Mars shot" thing.
     
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    Really! They expect Bandon to adopt their wish list because of the Dallas demonstration?

    Dallas already has a Black chief of police, it sure seems the put the wrong cops in jeopardy with their bull shit.
     
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    No I don't SLY!

    I don't understand protesting anywhere to affect change some where else. Dallas cops haven't been in the forefront for blowing people away. Dallas has a Black Chief.
    I don't understand some asshole amping people up with "God Damn White America"!
    I don't understand "fry em like bacon"!
    I don't understand " what do you want? Dead Cops"!
    I don't understand anyone that thinks the laws in another state should be like they want it, but no state has.
    I don't understand "Peaceful Demonstrations" that do result in dead Cops. More than once now.
    I don't understand why liberals support any of this shit. (Except it feels good! Or you are on the right side.)

    I do know how to correct some of their grievances, but I don't think they will ever hear it. Most here didn't hear it when I said it.
     
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    A black chief doesn't even come close to addressing the majority of their concerns.
     
  19. MarAzul

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    Oh fucking marvelous Sly! How many of the things on their list are valid grievances that do need to be addressed in Dallas?
    I think none!

    I do think Dallas probably need to make the policy changes in procedures that I would do to reduce confrontation. But they haven't been gunning down folk too badly lately.
     
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    Anyone here see that interview where the Black guy said, he didn't like to have to be subservient around a cop?
    Didn't anyone here see the post by Bodyman about how he acts when he is stopped?
    Did anyone here see my response to Bodyman's post on how I act when stopped, and that I notice how my appearance can effect apprehension in a police officer?
     

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