Both draft classes are solid with much depth. But which one is better?I'm going to compare by position<u>Point Guards</u>2004:Sebastian Telfair / Jameer Nelson / Shaun Livingston / Delonte West / Devin Harris / Chris Duhon / Beno Udrih2005:Chris Paul / Raymond Felton / Deron Williams / Jarrett Jack / Nate Robinson / Monta Ellis / Daniel EwingBetter: 2004<u>Shooting Guards</u>2004: Ben Gordon / Kevin Martin / Josh Childress / JR Smith / Tony Allen2005: Martell Webster / Rashad McCants / Luther Head / Francisco Garcia / Salim StoudamireBetter: 2004<u>Small Forwards</u>2004: Andre Iguodala / Luol Deng / Josh Smith / Trevor Ariza2005: Marvin Williams / Danny Granger / Gerald Green / Joey GrahamBetter: 2004<u>Power Forwards</u>2004: Emeka Okafor / Al Jefferson / Andersen Varejao2005: Charlie Villanueva / Ike Diogu / Sean May / Hakim Warrick / Jason Maxiel / David Lee / Ryan GomesBetter: 2004<u>Centers</u>2004: Dwight Howard / Andris Biedrins / David Harrison2005: Andrew Bogut / Andrew Bynum / Channing Frye / Johan PetroBetter: 2004Obviously, experience has a ton to do with this, but which class will be better when all of their careers are done?
Monta Ellis, Chris Paul and Deron Williams can all easily be allstars this year....none of the 04 PGs shouldnt even be considered....Jameer Nelson maybe...but thats it.
Point Guards2004:Sebastian Telfair / Jameer Nelson / Shaun Livingston / Delonte West / Devin Harris / Chris Duhon / Beno Udrih2005:Chris Paul / Raymond Felton / Deron Williams / Jarrett Jack / Nate Robinson / Monta Ellis / Daniel EwingBetter: I'll go with 2005. Out of 04, which are the team leaders? None of them. 05 has Chris Paul, Felton who is a good PG, Deron Williams is really good. Then you have decent guys in Jack & Ellis. Robinson won a dunk contest. Shooting Guards2004: Ben Gordon / Kevin Martin / Josh Childress / JR Smith / Tony Allen2005: Martell Webster / Rashad McCants / Luther Head / Francisco Garcia / Salim StoudamireBetter: 2004 - You've got Gordon who did great last season. Kevin Martin, JR Smith & Tony Allen are playing great this season while Childress is average. 05 has Webster who really hasn't gotten his name out. Same as McCants & Garcia. Small Forwards2004: Andre Iguodala / Luol Deng / Josh Smith / Trevor Ariza2005: Marvin Williams / Danny Granger / Gerald Green / Joey GrahamBetter: 2004 - You've 4 men who have played good basketball this season. 05 has Green pretty much who has been playing phenominal.Power Forwards2004: Emeka Okafor / Al Jefferson / Andersen Varejao2005: Charlie Villanueva / Ike Diogu / Sean May / Hakim Warrick / Jason Maxiel / David Lee / Ryan GomesBetter: 2004 - 05 - I think they are even. 04 has Emaka Okafor & Al Jefferson while 05 has Charlie, Gomes & David Lee. I think 04 edges out a little more though.Centers2004: Dwight Howard / Andris Biedrins / David Harrison2005: Andrew Bogut / Andrew Bynum / Channing Frye / Johan PetroBetter: 05 - Bogut, Bynum and Frye are give a better class then Howard. Biedrins is alright I'll admit, but I think Frye & Bynum beat him out.
the 05 PGs are definately better than the 04 PGs. no question at all. chris paul, ray felton, deron? they all could possibly be all stars in the future but no one really has a chance at all in the 04 class
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (grizz101 @ Jan 21 2007, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>04 easy, 05 was one of the worst drafts ever</div>Are you dumb? 05 wasn't one of the worst. Maybe 06, 00, or 90, but not 05.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Jan 21 2007, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was stuck on PF's, but I don't agree with point guards. The 04 PG's are better.</div>What? Was this a type? There is no way in hell that the 04' PG's are better than the 05' PG's. Chris Paul, Raymond Felton, and Deron Williams are just way tooo good.The SG's of the 04 draft are obviously better. Ben Gordon, Kevin Martin, J.R. Smith, and Tony Allen are all having good seasons (TA was doing great as a starter before he got hurt).The SF's are better from 04', but the PF's from 05' are better IMO. They are much deeper than the PF's in 04.So, it comes down to the centers. I think when it is all said and done, the 05' team is going to have a better overall group of centers. Even though Dwight Howard is the best out of all of the players, Bynum, Bogut, and Frye, and Petro is better than what the 04 draft had to offer.Basically, I think that the players in the 04 draft were better, but the 05 draft had more depth.
How are the '04 point guards better? Chris Paul, Raymond Felton, and Deron Williams are three future all-stars. That's a SICK combo of pg's. maybe the best pg class in recent memory. only jameer nelson and shaun livingston even compare to these, and chris paul is already all-star calibur.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I was stuck on PF's, but I don't agree with point guards. The 04 PG's are better.</div>How can you say the 04 pg's are better. 05 has Felton, Paul and Deron Williams who are all really good, and Ellis and Jack are also decent. The 04 PG's don't really have any players that will prolly be future all-stars except maybe Nelson, while 05 has future all-stars in Paul, Williams, and Felton.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Jan 21 2007, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was stuck on PF's, but I don't agree with point guards. The 04 PG's are better.</div>I think Sunny was trying to compare what each side has achieved status-wise and team-wise, however it will change this year. I mean so far the Point gaurd's from 2005 are really lighting it up.Aside from Ellis improving so much this year, how can you compete with CP3, Williams, and Jack? All 3 are leading their teams condisderably well, better than Telfair, Livingston, West, and Harris. CP3 is the next generation Point Guard no doubt, Williams has been key to the Jazz turnaround this year, and maybe one of the positive things for the Trailblazers had been Jack and his play this year, yes often times inconsitent, but Jack is averaging a solid 12 and 5. The only one honorable mention from '04 is Jameer Nelson who has been a key to the Magic's sucess as well, but he doesn't compare to the 2005's point gaurd bunch, nice topic however,
2004 Draft class got better everything. There were only some players that can be considered good in the 2005 draft class, Chris Paul being one of them. I mean, just look at the stats from the 2006 Rookie vs. Sophomore game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Point Guards2004:Sebastian Telfair / Jameer Nelson / Shaun Livingston / Delonte West / Devin Harris / Chris Duhon / Beno Udrih2005:Chris Paul / Raymond Felton / Deron Williams / Jarrett Jack / Nate Robinson / Monta Ellis / Daniel EwingBetter: 2004</div>I say that there are only two point guards in the class of '05 that are good. Chris Paul and Raymond Felton. Every point in the 04 draft class has something to offer to there team. Telfair is a great young player for the celtics, Nelson is going to be a veteran leader for the magic in years to come, Livingston is a 6'8 but plays point guard. Enough said. Delonte West is a great player and is one of the Celtics better players. Chris Duhon is a good point guard for the bulls and has good shooting ability. And Beno Udrih...hehe...beno udrih..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Jan 21 2007, 07:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Both draft classes are solid with much depth. But which one is better?I'm going to compare by position<u>Point Guards</u>2004:Sebastian Telfair / Jameer Nelson / Shaun Livingston / Delonte West / Devin Harris / Chris Duhon / Beno Udrih2005:Chris Paul / Raymond Felton / Deron Williams / Jarrett Jack / Nate Robinson / Monta Ellis / Daniel EwingBetter: 2004<u>Shooting Guards</u>2004: Ben Gordon / Kevin Martin / Josh Childress / JR Smith / Tony Allen2005: Martell Webster / Rashad McCants / Luther Head / Francisco Garcia / Salim StoudamireBetter: 2004<u>Small Forwards</u>2004: Andre Iguodala / Luol Deng / Josh Smith / Trevor Ariza2005: Marvin Williams / Danny Granger / Gerald Green / Joey GrahamBetter: 2004<u>Power Forwards</u>2004: Emeka Okafor / Al Jefferson / Andersen Varejao2005: Charlie Villanueva / Ike Diogu / Sean May / Hakim Warrick / Jason Maxiel / David Lee / Ryan GomesBetter: 2004<u>Centers</u>2004: Dwight Howard / Andris Biedrins / David Harrison2005: Andrew Bogut / Andrew Bynum / Channing Frye / Johan PetroBetter: 2004Obviously, experience has a ton to do with this, but which class will be better when all of their careers are done?</div>How you are saying 04 PG's are better than CP3, Felton, and Deron. Who are all leading their teams. Cp3 had the best stats out of any rookie to recent memory, including LeBron,Melo, and Jordan.05 is by far PG's..05 PF's are both really weak in this area. But, I would go 05 just because depth. Yes Okafor, is probably the best out of all, but past himk there is really nothing.Same with 05 C's. Dwight is clearly the best, just thats it for that year.
