The Brilliance of the Evan Turner Signing: Creating Catch and Shoot Opportunities for Our Shooters

I'd love that, except I don't like beer. God knows I've tried. It's all about hard liquor....or used to be, for me

 

I would ignore ET's time in inept Philli and look at his Boston career under a good coach - and the time played difference even in minutes is not that big.

Again, I just do not think that Nic is worth the premium you would pay for him over Turner.

 

Then Crown Royal it is... or Apple Juice.

 

Wow, 80% of this thread was unreadable.

Anywho, for me what Turner brings that Batum never did was the ability to drive, then dish. Batum COULD get to the rack whenever he wanted, but loved to play the roll of sitting in the corner and shooting spot up 3s. I think Turner will be much better at collapsing defenses by playing inside the arc, and has the passing ability to hit our shooters on the outside.

The one major discrepancies is unless Aminu is on, we don't have that 3rd 3-point shooter the GSW had in Barnes (and now have in... KD, FML).

Batum has too much Euro ball in him, I though getting him over here at 19 that coaches would make getting to the rim part of his game. If he could have developed that as a consistent part of his game, he would be worth every penny of that contract, and the comparisons to Scottie Pippen would have had some weight behind them.

 

so excuses for Turner and negative exaggerations for Nic... got it.

STOMP

 

Philly had a decent team when turner was there. He was there during that group of Iggy, Elton Brand, Thadd Young, Jrue Holiday, ET.

Turner is going to surprise a lot of people who look at his Boston stats. He's going to fit this system really well, and will probably shoot around 35-38% from 3 this season. One of those situations where our system here will make yet another player look better than they have. Will the Thrill is one of the few players in recent years who has left Portland and found more success with their new teams. But like Nic Batum, much of that could be a product of the increased opportunity/role they were given.

 

Call it what you want, I do believe however that data from the last 3 years when comparing two players is a lot more important than historical data from 6 to 8 years ago. I also have no problems with you believing that Nic is woth $1.7 for every $1 that Turner earns. I do not believe it.

 

where do I say anything along those lines? What I've been pointing out is that Nic has played more then Evan throughout their respective careers, including each of the past 3 seasons.

When I say something wrong (when their careers started) I own it. Apparently when you say something wrong (Turner on the court more), you make excuses and try to change the subject with red herrings.

STOMP

 

You are absolutely right that Nic played more minutes, but I am also right that he was available for less games. Is there a correlation between the two? Likely. Is it better to have a player available for more games or more minutes? I do not know. I suspect that a coach would rather have someone that is available every game and is more consistent but maybe not - I am not a coach.

You seem to be really hung on this issue of minutes, as I said, in the last 3 years the difference is not that big. Nic played 700 more minutes in the last 3 years and that includes his outlier 82 games season. At the same 3 years - Turner only missed 2 games vs. 20+ for Nic. Both of these statements are correct - and all my arguments lead to the same conclusion:

I do not believe that the difference in output between Nic and Turner is worth the price difference.

I most certainly believe that Nic is a better and more talented player, I really do not know why you are so hung on the minutia of specific items - but if you believe I am not reliable or that my opinions have no merit because I "did not admit" that Nic played a whopping 700 more minutes in the last 3 years, I am just fine with it.

 

I'm sorry, but who the hell ever thought Batum was good at guarding Power Forwards?

Not me.

 

Dame shoots 20 times a game. If Turner can help him convert 10% (wild guess, but still less than Splashed Bros) of those opportunities to catch and shoots at a gain of 0.25 points per possession, he would score 0.5 points more per game.

CJ shoots 18 times a game. If Turner can help him convert 10% (wild guess, but still less than Splashed Bros) of those opportunities to catch and shoots at a gain of 0.25 points per possession, he would score 0.45 points more per game.

Crabbe shoots 8 times a game. If Turner can help him convert 10% (wild guess, but still less than Splashed Bros) of those opportunities to catch and shoots at a gain of 0.40 points per possession, he would score 0.32 points more per game.

So if ET can get our volume shooters 10% more catch and shoots, the Blazers might score 1.27 more points per game.

 

With Durant there I can Splashed get lesser shots this year.

 

lots of wishful thinking in this thread. Par for the course here that the new guy is the flavor of the month before (inevitably) much of the board turns on him no matter how he plays. I've seen plenty of Turner & my expectations aren't very high... I think he'll be okay. My wish is that he could shoot from deep.

STOMP

 

Shooting from deep is the only thing he's not good at and he's shown potential. Plus everyone shoots better in Portland.

 

No Kiddin, after the HCP thread I want to rip some fuckin heads off! lol I also believe Turner will be a pleasant surprise