Last time I checked, Felton wasn't leading the bobcats. And every PG in the 04 class has potential of leading there team.
Uhh.. well Knight was out.. and everytime Felton is on the court. he is doing well.. Him and knight are still splitting time last time I checked.. he will get the full starting job here soon.. though and believe me. he will show up the whole 04 class liek CP3 already did.
I think thats bullsh** and id like to see Devin Harris and Raymond Felton go 1 on 1 one day and see who wins.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Iverson3 @ Jan 23 2007, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I say that there are only two point guards in the class of '05 that are good. Chris Paul and Raymond Felton. Every point in the 04 draft class has something to offer to there team. Telfair is a great young player for the celtics, Nelson is going to be a veteran leader for the magic in years to come, Livingston is a 6'8 but plays point guard. Enough said. Delonte West is a great player and is one of the Celtics better players. Chris Duhon is a good point guard for the bulls and has good shooting ability. And Beno Udrih...hehe...beno udrih..</div>Since you seem like a big stats guy I'll throw out some stats for you. Deron Williams is averaging 17 ppg and 8.8 apg. And yes he is definetly leading his team. Monte Ellis is averaging 18 ppg on great shooting percentages and Jarret Jack is averaging 12.5 ppg and 5.5 apg. IMo ithe '05 PG's are easily better. You have 3 future franchise players in Felton, Williams, and paul, a future top scorer in Ellis, and a very solid future PG in Jarret Jack. Not one of the PG's in the '04 draft will be a franchise player.
Hey iverson, I thought we was supposed to look beyond the stats? I put out one stat and now im a "big stat guy?" Give me a break. I can see Nelson being a franchise player for the Magic, and I can see West being a franchise player for the Celtics...so what was your point again?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Iverson3 @ Jan 23 2007, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey iverson, I thought we was supposed to look beyond the stats? I put out one stat and now im a "big stat guy?" Give me a break. I can see Nelson being a franchise player for the Magic, and I can see West being a franchise player for the Celtics...so what was your point again?</div>1. Well I'm basing it off the fact you think Melo is as good as Wade and Lebron because he's leading the league in ppg2. Nelson never will with Howard in town3. Not while Paul Pierce is ni town and by the time Pierce retires West will either be out of Boston or another one of Boston's youth will be better. Plus tell me how you can see West becoming a franchise player in the first place?
Wait so two player can't share a franchise together? Didn't Kobe and Shaq do that in '01? I could see Nelson playing alongised Dwight Howard down the years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Iverson3 @ Jan 23 2007, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey iverson, I thought we was supposed to look beyond the stats? I put out one stat and now im a "big stat guy?" Give me a break. I can see Nelson being a franchise player for the Magic, and I can see West being a franchise player for the Celtics...so what was your point again?</div>Haha are you dumb?Delonte West is not a franchise player. He's a very good complimentary point guard and role player. The franchise players are Pierce and Jefferson.
Nelson can be considered a franchise player if you want, but I don't think he is. IMO teams only have one franchise player that they build around, and then a core of players with him, then role players. For the Magic it is Howard. For the Celtics its Pierce. Franchise players are guys who are going to go out and score you points a night, make everyone around you better, and carry the team. Neither West nor Nelson are those guys. Just about every team has that one guy they go to in crunch time (Cleveland: Lebron, Miami: Wade, LAL: Kobe, Spurs: Duncan, Mavs: Dirk, just to name a few). Neither West or Nelson are those guys. The only team that may not have the one identifiable player they're building around is Philly (Igoudala? Miller?), Portland (Roy? Jack?) and Charlotte (Felton or Okafor?).
Generally, teams only have one franchise player that they build around, notice I said generally. I mean, look at Kobe and Shaq back in the day. Two franchise players that the others players relied on. Wade and Shaq now. Even though, IMO, most of the players rely on D-Wade more than Shaq, Shaq can still be considered a franchise player.Basically, and this is not always true, it takes two superstars to win a championship. But like I said, this is not always the case.
Two superstars?Pistons had zero superstars, the Spurs had one.You could make a case for Shaq and Wade together but Shaq is hardly a superstar anymore. The only team that definitely have had 2 superstars winning a title since '96 are the Lakers 3peat. I really don't think Pippen was a superstar either, so I'm discounting the Bulls.
What!? Pippen was a superstar man. Without Pippen, Bulls wouldnt have won as many championships as they did.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Basically, and this is not always true, it takes two superstars to win a championship. But like I said, this is not always the case</div>. Notice the bold.
I think you're confusing superstar. You're using it as too broad of a term. To me, there is 5-10 superstars today in the NBA. Wade, Melo, Kobe, LeBron, etc. I really dont think Pippen fits into that type of category.
Why though I mean the guy helped one of the best players ever to play the game win numerous amounts of NBA championships.
Pippen is a fuckign legend, he was Jordan's sidekick and was just a great addition to the bulls, no way they'd have 72 wins w/o pippen. WTF are you smoking yanks...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Pippen is a fuckign legend, he was Jordan's sidekick and was just a great addition to the bulls, no way they'd have 72 wins w/o pippen. WTF are you smoking yanks...</div>Yeah I agree. How the f*ck can you say Pippen was not a superstar? The Bulls wouldn't have won all those championships w/o him. He is definitely a legend IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Iverson3 @ Jan 24 2007, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Generally, teams only have one franchise player that they build around, notice I said generally. I mean, look at Kobe and Shaq back in the day. Two franchise players that the others players relied on. Wade and Shaq now. Even though, IMO, most of the players rely on D-Wade more than Shaq, Shaq can still be considered a franchise player.Basically, and this is not always true, it takes two superstars to win a championship. But like I said, this is not always the case.</div>Yanks pretty much finished what I was saying. Anyways yes you could make a very good case for Kobe and Shaq being two franchise players on the same time. The point is Nelson will never be like Kobe. He is a solid PG who can be a good PG to compliment your franchise player with but he's not the type of player that can take over games, make players around him better, etc.
Yeah well I never said he would ever be like Kobe but as far as making players around him better? Yeah thats definently a possibility.
