Trump supporters, what would he have to say before you would not vote for him?

Going to the premise of the thread, probably nothing based on this video

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-skewers-trump-and-the-wacky-conventions.html

 

Really? Where do you find this definition of Natural Born Citizen?

 

My son can run for president, even though his mother immigrated from Taiwan..I think you missed my point..

 

From the Constitution:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President
(Article II Section 1)

Natural born - does not say where father was born, where mother was born. The entire history of U.S. Constitutional law defines a natural born citizen as a person born in the US states or territories. Not one exception. Ever.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
(Amendment XIV, Section 1 )

Notice it gives two options, born or naturalized. Nothing about parents' birth.

There is nothing in the Constitution regulating citizenship by parents', or specifically fathers', birthplaces. Natural born means born. (not sure what unnatural born means...) As Bruce Springsteen said, Born in the U.S.A.

The birthers who just CAN'T STAND a n-----r in the WHITE House, have tried to discredit him by saying he was really born in Kenya or Mars or something and therefore is not legitimately president (which means that Joe Biden is). But I never heard until MarAzul's brilliant takedown of 240 years of American jurisprudence that you can be born here and still a Kenyan if your father was Kenyan.

 

@SlyPokerDog Which of Trump's statements if made on here would you have edited?

 

Yes, this is the same for Children of US citizens. Like John McCain. Panama is his place of birth but he is a Natural Born US Citizen
because his parents were US citizens. The US made anyone born in the US a Citizen as of the 14th amendment, but that amendment did nothing to change the definition of Natural Born Citizen as used in the Constitution. The term already had a definition at the time the Constitution was written and ratified. It is not the same as mere citizen.

The courts have told us, there are no superfluous word in the Constitution, so I know of nowhere to look for the definition of Natural born Citizen except where is was defined contemporary with the writing of the the Constitution.

"Richfield Oil v. State Board, 329 U.S. 69 (1946) 77-78

All words in the Constitution are meaningful. Quoting Holmes v. Jennison, 14 Pet. 540, 570-71: Every word appears to have been weighed with the utmost deliberation, and its force and effect to have been fully understood. No word in the instrument, therefore, can be rejected as superfluous or unmeaning...""

 

This statement appears to be correct. However, the part about blacks and women has been amended. The part about the Natural Born Citizen requirement has not.

 

I agree with this take.

Here is a copy of the message I sent to Trump in 2011.

To:

Donald Trump,

Congratulation! The Birth certificate proved Obama was born in Hawaii. It also proves he is not a Natural Born Citizen
and therefore not fully qualified as required in the Constitution, for the office of President of these United States.

From the Law of Nations

"Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority,
they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country,
of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens,
those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this,
in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society,
reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;
and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion,
they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country,
it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner,
it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."


God speed with the next step.

Regards,

MarAzul

You can read this paragraph for yourself in the Law of Nations Book 2.

I suspect that Obama is exactly what this requirement in the Constitution was intended to derail. I often doubt he sees himself as United States citizen.

 

Can Matt Damon be President? He's Bourne here.

 

If your mother took Epidural, you might not be a natural born citizen.
If you were conceived despite the fact that your mother was on the pill, you might not be a natural born citizen.
If your parents needed the help of a fertility clinic...