Politics ObamaCare Sicker Shock

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  1. e_blazer

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    Thanks, but I think I'll try to save on groceries first by eating dog.
     
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    What is the recent news, exactly? I'm afraid I can't read your link in post #1, since I don't pay the WSJ, but I can see that it is an opinion piece, not an actual news story.

    So... is there any actual new news, or are you just complaining that the networks don't run right-wing opinion pieces as news?

    barfo
     
  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    18-23% is the news. They were projecting 8%, and then 10% or 11% just a few months ago.

    Sorry it's not binders of women, which you do understand.
     
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    https://www.healthinsurance.org/delaware-state-health-insurance-exchange/

    Delaware health insurance exchange / marketplace

    Insurers request rate hikes ranging from 24% to 32.5%

    2017 proposed rates

    There are two companies that offer health insurance through Delaware’s exchange: Aetna and Highmark Blue Cross Blue Shield of Delaware. Aetna has a PPO division and and HMO division, which are listed as separate entities for rate filings. The proposed rate increases for 2017 are:

    • Aetna Health (HMO): 25 percent
    • Aetna Life (PPO): 23.9 percent
    • Highmark BCBS of Delaware: 32.5 percent
     
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    https://www.healthinsurance.org/maryland-state-health-insurance-exchange/

    Maryland health insurance exchange / marketplace

    15% avg requested rate hikes; Still 240k residents eligible to enroll

    Looking ahead to 2017

    Maryland is one of many states where UnitedHealthcare is exiting the individual market at the end of 2016. The rest of the carriers that participate in the state-run exchange—Maryland Health Connection—in 2016 will continue to do so in 2017, and have proposed the following average rate increases:

    • CareFirst Blue Choice (HMO): 12 percent
    • CareFirst Blue Cross Blue Shield: 16 percent
    • Cigna: 30 percent
    • Evergreen: 8 percent
    • Kaiser Permanente: 25 percent
     
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    http://www.fool.com/investing/2016/08/14/4-reasons-your-obamacare-healthcare-premium-is-pro.aspx

    4 Reasons Your Obamacare Healthcare Premium Is Probably Going Up by at Least 10% in 2017

    Obamacare enrollees should be prepared for sticker shock in the coming months.

    It's hard to pick out a single culprit, as nearly every state that's reported insurer rate hike requests thus far has an average or weighted increase north of 10%. One standout is Arizona, where the two largest insurers in the state, Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) of Arizona and Phoenix Health Plans, which insure 113,400 of the state's 152,600 Obamacare members, are requesting respective premium increases of 64.9% and 60%. In Tennessee, BCBS of Tennessee, which enrolled roughly 222,800 of Tennessee's 304,300 Obamacare members in 2016, is requesting a 62% premium hike in 2017. Once more, BCBS of Illinois, which controls 70% of the Illinois Obamacare market, is asking for a 50.2% premium hike. Humana (NYSE:HUM) isn't much better, either, with a 46.3% rate hike request on the table in Illinois.

    In virtually every state a big premium hike appears likely.
     
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    https://www.healthinsurance.org/maine-state-health-insurance-exchange/

    Maine health insurance exchange / marketplace

    Anthem, CHO, and Harvard Pilgrim will offer plans in 2017

    Proposed rates for 2017: More than 20% weighted average increase

    There are five carriers in the individual market in Maine, including both the HMO and PPO arms of Harvard Pilgrim. Three of them—all except Aetna and Harvard Pilgrim PPO—will offer on-exchange plans in 2017. Proposed rate changes are:

    • Anthem: 14.1 percent increase (15,650 current members)
    • Community Health Options: 22.8 percent increase (58,750 members)
    • Harvard Pilgrim HMOs: 18.7 percent increase (7,100 current members)
     
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    https://www.healthinsurance.org/new_york-state-health-insurance-exchange/

    In mid-May, the New York Department of Financial Services published a list of the proposed rate changes for all of the state’s individual and small group carriers, including both on and off-exchange plans. In the individual market, the initial proposed weighted average rate increase was 17.3 percent, and in the small group market, it was 12 percent. These rate filings were later revised by the carriers, and final rate approval was published by the NYDFS in early August.

    At ACA Signups, Charles Gaba has calculated a weighted average rate increase of 16.6 percent for the individual market in New York (including on and off-exchange carriers). This is a little lower than the 17.3 percent weighted average proposed rate increase that the carriers initially filed in May.
     
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    Blame your insurance cartel.
     
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    The insurance cartel is losing $trillions. I don't think it's up to them to go out of business so ObamaCare stays solvent a few years longer than it otherwise could.
     
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    More proof that health insurance is completely unnecessary.
     
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    Sure. Have the government go even further into insolvency.

    It can't pay its bills as it is.
     
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    You say this shit but you avoid talking about the trillions of dollars that the Pentagon has wasted, the trillions of dollars that are in untaxed offshore accounts, the free money we give away in subsidies to agribusiness as well as oil companies. Not to mention our wars of choice. So much for being a Libertarian Denny because you don't say shit about corporate welfare. With all the money that we spent on that crap that was just off the top of my head, the outright LIE that our country is broke is the prevailingreatest notion.

    We can pay for school for everyone as well as health care for everyone if we have our priorities straight.
     
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    You change the subject because you know the government has no business screwing up everyone's health care.
     
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    I didn't change the subject at all. I'm talking about how we waste the money that you're talking about. You just not mentioning the right money. The 74 billion we spend a year on food stamps is a drop in the bucket compared to all of the money that we give away. You say the government is insolvent but Obama has cut Bush's 1.3 Tril deficit by two thirds.
     
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    It was ObamaCare, now you want to talk about the military and wars. I recognize a change of subject when it's so obvious.

    The interest on Obama's debt from reckless spending is going to dwarf military spending. All that money goes to the rich, too. Who else has money to loan the government?

    Read this. It's from NPR, so it must be quality. It's about government running things related to health.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...y-we-got-fatter-during-the-fat-free-food-boom
     
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    You said basically we can't afford it. I told you why (wars, corporate welfare etc.).

    I could really give a shit what the Koch's say (they fund NPR).

    I don't see countries complaining about their single payer plans. Only people like you saying no we can't.
     
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    We can't afford it. We're on pace to spend all the money on 2 social programs and debt interest.

    Venezuela. /thread
     
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    You really should read the link. It's not likely at all what you imagine.

    Government set the dietary standards. We now have an obesity epidemic.

    With all good intentions, government does mostly harm.
     
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    Great Britain, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Switzerland, Denmark, Spain, France, Iceland, I could go on.

    /thread
     

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