Why It’s Time Black People Simply Disengage With White People In Discussing Race

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  1. PtldPlatypus

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    I'm not a member of the Muslim faith, so I can't answer the question of what they should be called. IMO, it's not my place to judge, nor is it Bill O'Reilly's. In that discussion, I defer to Muslims.

    I do find it amusing that you call considering another perspective narrow minded. However, I legitimately thank you for your willingness to further explain your viewpoint. To me, that's the whole purpose of these forums.
     
  2. Natebishop3

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    I didn't say that you were narrow minded. I said that the people who flat out disregard radical Islam as not being Muslims to be narrow minded.
     
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    I would say, your actions make you a Christian or not. The above steps are simply road markers on the journey you took.

    I would also say that judging whether a Muslim is member of Islam by their actions is not the same as judging whether a Christian is a Christian or not, by their action. Jesus did not teach exclusion like the concept of how to deal with Infidels. Jesus did not teach the concept of Jihad. There is not a moral equivalence between the two religions to judge people by their actions. I think some may see an equivalence between the old Judaism as seen in the Torah (Old Testament) and Islam, but that was reformed by Jesus, not Mohammad.

    A person that claims to be a Christian, but then slaughters people for what ever reason is not following the teachings of Jesus. Not likely a good Christian either.

    However, A Muslim on Jihad that slaughters people may be following the teachings of Mohammad, even though other Muslims might not approve of the actions.

    A Muslim might kill several Gay people and be considered a good Muslim by some followers and perhaps not others, but he is following a Hadith of Mohammed.

    A Muslim might take hostages whom he considers and Infidel, ransom them and feel he is in good stead with Allah, and his fellow followers of Islam. Some Muslims will agree and others will disapprove, while we probably will consider the SOB a pirate.

    People following Islam do not have the same moral code as Christians (or their atheist brethren in the west) although it appears, some Muslims in the West do. Some are trying to reform Islam.
     
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    that's sort of like saying they can choose but yet they can't choose isn't it??
     
  5. Natebishop3

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    I feel like you're not understanding. My point is inclusion, not exclusion.
     
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    every black friend ive ever had (and most of the brown friends too) have been called a nigger by a complete stranger on the street.

    but racism doesnt exist.
     
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    Who is saying this? Who is even remotely saying this?
     
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    I took that as pure sarcasm...don't see how you could read it and take it literally
     
  9. Natebishop3

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    Absolutely there was sarcasm.... but it was aimed at someone. I just want to know what the point is of that statement when nobody is saying that racism is gone.
     
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  11. Natebishop3

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    That's a pretty big leap to insinuate that he believes that racism doesn't exist anymore on any level.

    There's a difference between "zero racism" and "impacted daily," as he said. Honestly, I have no idea what the daily life is a black person is like, but I also highly doubt that every single black person has the exact same experience on a daily basis. Just as I doubt every single white person has the same experience on a daily basis.
     
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  12. bodyman5000 and 1

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    Shit that happens to you once can impact your life for years. Paying 20 percent interest on furniture, being stuck in a shitty school, being in a neighborhood surrounded by freeways with no grocery stores in the area. I'm going off of the top of my head.

    Just things like that can impact you forever. Those fucking schools are a joke. How could anyone learn anything?
     
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    However, if the current narrative is that we continuously benefit from our white privilege, most of the time without our awareness, isn't the flip side of that coin that black people are feeling the negative effects thereof just as often? So by that logic, is it inaccurate to say that black people are--or at least believe they are--impacted by racial inequality--also referred to as institutional racism--on a daily basis?
     
  14. Natebishop3

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    As I said, I have no idea man. I have no clue what a black person deals with on a day to day basis.

    But, I also have no idea what you deal with on a daily basis.
     
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    I'm not necessarily defending him, just pointing out the difference between what he said and what was implied.
     
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    Get a library card....I learned more there than from most teachers on a high school level.
     
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    This. I had to do exactly what you said while going through the PPS system.

    It's easier now with the internet.
     
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    Are you guys saying kids from inner city homes that don't have parents who teach them to read before kindergarten are supposed to somehow overcome an overcrowded, underfunded and maybe even dangerous school?

    It's possible but come on. Most of us learn from our upbringing, the school isn't going to change your whole environment. Neither is the library.
     
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    I know and I'm just pointing out that everything we experience adds up in our lives. If not for A B C and D I wouldn't be where I am today.

    I'm sure the same holds for people who get screwed over left and right.
     
  20. Natebishop3

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    I'm sure you're right. I'm sure it's hard not to hate all white people if some white people treat you badly.
     

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