Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? You might be expecting me to say Isiah Thomas, but no, he's basically a given. Try Danny Ainge. He's doing a decent job recovering his image after trading Antoine Walker and Raef LaFrentz by having good young components like Jefferson, Allen, West, Gomes and Green (a whole starting lineup). Even though it's not giving Paul Pierce all the help he needs, they will probably be good in the next 2 years or so. Ainge still has a little ways to go before Itake him off this thread.Kevin McHale However, has no hope for a little while. he showed off his IQ to the world when he fired a coach that is holding down a .500 record in the West. Their inside threats besides KG are non-existent, and their young guards are not ready to become reliable second or third options as yet.
Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? Add Billy King to the list. Not only did he waste the majority of Allen Iverson's prime, but he just does not understand basketball at all. He has vastly overpaid players when trying to re-sign them as free agents (see Eric Snow, Aaron McKie, Greg Buckner, Kenny Thomas, etc.), brought in incompetent second options to Iverson over the years (see Keith Van Horn, Glenn Robinson, Derrick Coleman), and completely went away from what made us successful in 2001. The only positive things to happen for the franchise under his watch was drafting (see Iguodala, Dalembert, Carney and somehow prying Green and Korver from the second round), but that also is attributed to Tony DiLeo than Billy King. Yes we traded Iverson and started to rebuild, but even he couldn't do that himself... Iverson practically had to go in there and beg to be traded, and despite King being a retard we still managed to get two additional first round picks in this draft (3 total)... but he'll probably screw that up. But, what else should I have expected... I mean, he is from Duke.Despite all that, the biggest thing is that somehow he still has his job.
Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? I disagree with Danny Ainge. While I would have loved to keep the Pierce/Toine combo intact, that team wasn't going anywhere when Ainge took the job. We had 2 All-Star is Pierce/Walker, then a bunch of aging veterans on the downfall of their careers (Tony Battie, Eric Williams, Tony Delk, Walter McCarty, Erick Strickland, etc... all those big names ). He turned an overachieving team with no promise into a young, athletic, and energetic team with a bright future.He turned Tony Battie (solid veteran presence), Eric Williams (hurt and on the downfall), and Kedrick Brown (fat and out of the league by age 25) into Ricky Davis, Jumaine Jones, and Chris Mihm. He then turned Mihm and Jones (along with Chucky Atkins) into Gary Payton. He traded Payton (who then cleared waivers and shortly re-signed with us), TOM GUGLIOTTA, MICHAEL STEWART, and a pick for Antoine Walker. He traded Jiri Welsch for a first round draft pick... that pick ended up getting us Rajon Rondo, who looks like he's probably our PG of the future).Ainge stole Gerald Green at 18, Ryan Gomes at 50, Tony Allen at 25, Rajon Rondo at 21, Leon Powe at 49, and Allan Ray who was undrafted. Also, with the production we're getting from Al Jefferson, him at 15 is a bit of a steal in its own right.Are we a good team right now? Obviously not, but we'd have a better record if we didn't have to play our 3rd string due to injuries to our entire starting lineup and 3 key bench players (no lie). But Danny Ainge will look like a genius in a couple years when he has Paul Pierce, Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Rajon Rondo, Ryan Gomes, Delonte West, Kendrick Perkins, and our lottery pick in this years draft (could be as high as #1, probably no lower than 4 or 5) all on the same team.
Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? Just because he has had a couple of good years doesn't mean Elgin Baylor should get left off the list. He has done so many bad things its hard to list them all.
Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? Last year Danny Ainge traded the #7 overall pick for Sebastian Telfair, who is currently the Celts third string point guard. He's done a decent job of giving the team a bright future with many tradable assets in good young players, but he's made a ton of huge mistakes along the way. The jury is still out on him.1. Billy King is easily the worst GM in the league. How he still has a job is beyond me. I mean the Sixers are paying Chris Webber 20 mill, 11 for Jamal Mashburn, 7 for Tod Maculloch and none of those guys even play for them anymore! That's over half the cap! That's not even mentioning the long contracts given to overpaid playerss like Samuel Dalembert (he's making max money!). 2. Kevin McHale is the 2nd worst GM in the league. He should be the first for losing I don't know how many years of 1st round picks for trying to sign the bust known as Joe Smith illegally, but you just can't get worse than Billy King. 3. Isaiah Thomas is awful, but the Knicks are slightly better off now than they were a couple years ago. Like Ainge he makes putrid trades but drafts pretty well. 4. Elgin Baylor has been on the job for 20 seasons and only recorded 3 playoff appearences. The Clips are better off now than they ever have been before, but he should've been fired years ago. 5. Chris Mullin deserves to be on the list solely for signing Adonal Foyle, Troy Murphy, and Mike Dunleavy to absolutely ridiculous extensions.
Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? I'd say keep Danny Ainge on this list...he's been giving this team a bright future for three years now and we're one of the worst teams in the league. He's done an awful job with transactions, he traded Antoine Walker twice for what? Delonte West, Tony Allen (who's career is in jeopardy), and a second round draft pick? Signing Brian Scalabrine...the list goes on and on. He does an incredible job scouting young talent but my god this guy has no clue how to piece a team together. Young players don't make young players better. Look at the Clippers of the early 2000's. Same story. What really pisses me off is he signs Paul Pierce to a 3 year extension and is he trying to bring in vets to make this team better...of course not. He's in Europe scouting the next Jiri Welsch. OthersBilly KingIsaiah Thomas
Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ Jan 25 2007, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. Billy King is easily the worst GM in the league. How he still has a job is beyond me. I mean the Sixers are paying Chris Webber 20 mill, 11 for Jamal Mashburn, 7 for Tod Maculloch and none of those guys even play for them anymore! That's over half the cap! That's not even mentioning the long contracts given to overpaid playerss like Samuel Dalembert (he's making max money!).</div>Holy sh*t, I completely forgot about Mashburn and MacCulloch! I also think we're still paying Greg Buckner and Aaron McKie. :thumbdn1:
Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? 1. Billy King - Has no clue whatsoever. 2. Elgin Baylor - Until his recent lucky break was the biggest joke in basketball. 3. Kevin McHale - KG has saved his a**, over 10 years has done nothing. 4. Isiah Thomas - Tough situation in NY I'd like to judge him somewhere else though. 5. Chris Mullin - His signings have hindered his team, WTF is he thinking.
Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Jan 25 2007, 01:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd say keep Danny Ainge on this list...he's been giving this team a bright future for three years now and we're one of the worst teams in the league. He's done an awful job with transactions, he traded Antoine Walker twice for what? Delonte West, Tony Allen (who's career is in jeopardy), and a second round draft pick? Signing Brian Scalabrine...the list goes on and on. He does an incredible job scouting young talent but my god this guy has no clue how to piece a team together. Young players don't make young players better. Look at the Clippers of the early 2000's. Same story. What really pisses me off is he signs Paul Pierce to a 3 year extension and is he trying to bring in vets to make this team better...of course not. He's in Europe scouting the next Jiri Welsch. OthersBilly KingIsaiah Thomas</div>I agree that Ainge has made some extremely questionable moves/trades. No argument there. Both Walker trades were absolute bullsh**, the Bassy deal has proven to fail big time thus far, and Scal should have gotten half the contract Danny gave him. He also hired Doc Rivers. Another terrible move was giving Mark Blount that huge extension, but I can't really blame him because Blount played extremely well in his contract year. Little did we know, he would dog it the rest of his tenure in Boston. Dickhead.But as far as scouting goes, Ainge is one of the best out there right now. As far as assembling a team, you say he has no idea what he's doing, I disagree. He really hasn't even started to crack down and assemble our roster. Ainge has spent his time in Boston collecting assets to build with. We are still in patient mode, finding out which of these assets we are going to keep long term, and which ones are going to be used for trade bait. I think a lot of those questions will start to be answered by the start of next season, when we have a better idea of which guys are the keepers. Not to mention, we'll have one of the top picks in the draft, so we are guaranteed a good player there.We'll be alright. My thoughts on Ainge's tenure in Boston thus far remain neutral. He has made some bad decisions, but he has also made some good ones. The jury is still out, like you said. Give it another year. Although, if Ainge doesn't get a new coach by next season I'll shoot him.But there is no way Ainge should be on a list of deadbeat GM's like this topic suggests.
Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? Kevin McHale. The T-wolves have been treading water for so long, and now they fire their coach who was keeping them in playoff contention (I cant see them deserve anything more than #8)Danny Ainge basically traded Brandon Roy for Sebastian Telfair. Not a good idea.
Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? What has ever happened to Todd MacCulloch? I remember him, the gumpiest player outside of Ostertag and Shawn Bradley. I think he could have gotten more for AI too, but that obviously didn't happen.
Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? Todd MacCulloch had severe genetic foot problems from what I remember, he works with the 76ers media.
Re: Who's the Most Incompotent GM? I'd say Mchale and King are #1 and 2 respectively. You have to TRY to have a superstar like KG and still F*ck it up that bad.
