OT: Lauren & JRue Holiday

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  1. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Dr Dog, I have a question. How do I know if I have a brain tumor? I read a post and see one thing, then I see that same post quoted and there are extra parts that I can't find. Something about manners. Am I going crazy?
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Eat more bacon.

    - Dr Dog
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    Some would be more. Mmmmm, bacon.
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    The question I want answered is this. How much would you trust a doctor that told you your wife could wait to have a brain tumor removed?

    I'd want that thing out pronto.
     
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    The longer it's in there the sooner it will starve.

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    Tammi Terrell died of a brain tumor at age 24. Her hits were at the age of 22, but she had to stop singing.

    "Ain't No Mountain High Enough"
    "Your Precious Love" (Heaven Must Have Sent You From Above)
    "If I Could Build My Whole World Around You"
    "Ain't Nothing Like the Real Thing"
    "You're All I Need to Get By"



     
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    She goes onstage without a mike. Like John Lennon, Marvin Gaye was murdered by a Christian extremist for ideological reasons.

     
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    I am willing to be corrected if anyone posts a link to peer reviewed studies on efficacy of cannabis/coconut oil for brain tumors. Serious.
     
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    Aren't you aware of the police state? Any American scientist who attempts such a study will be thrown into prison. Same for LSD research. The tiny number of American studies you'll find over the last 50 years will be government-sponsored and negative toward all things drugs. My computer may receive a virus for this post.

    I don't know whether any street drugs help with diseases, but I do know that anything positive isn't allowed to be discovered or even discussed.
     
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    I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that scientists existed in other countries outside of the US. Some of which even permit recreational use of marijuana, not to mention medicinal study.
     
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    https://www.researchgate.net/public...er_Cells_due_to_Induction_of_Oxidative_Stress

    Induction of Apoptosis by the Medium-Chain Length Fatty Acid Lauric Acid in Colon Cancer Cells due to Induction of Oxidative Stress

    Abstract
    Background: Fatty acids are classified as short-chain (SCFA), medium-chain (MCFA) or long-chain and hold promise as adjunctive chemotherapeutic agents for the treatment of colorectal cancer. The antineoplastic potential of MCFA remains underexplored; accordingly, we compared the MCFA lauric acid (C12:0) to the SCFA butyrate (C4:0) in terms of their capacity to induce apoptosis, modify glutathione (GSH) levels, generate reactive oxygen species (ROS), and modify phases of the cell cycle in Caco-2 and IEC-6 intestinal cell lines. Methods: Caco-2 and IEC-6 cells were treated with lauric acid, butyrate, or vehicle controls. Apoptosis, ROS, and cell cycle analysis were determined by flow cytometry. GSH availability was assessed by enzymology. Results: Lauric acid induced apoptosis in Caco-2 (p < 0.05) and IEC-6 cells (p < 0.05) compared to butyrate. In Caco-2 cells, lauric acid reduced GSH availability and generated ROS compared to butyrate (p < 0.05). Lauric acid reduced Caco-2 and IEC-6 cells in G0/G1and arrested cells in the S and G2/M phases. Lauric acid induced apoptosis in IEC-6 cells compared to butyrate (p < 0.05). Butyrate protected IEC-6 cells from ROS-induced damage, whereas lauric acid induced high levels of ROS compared to butyrate.

    Conclusion: Compared to butyrate, lauric acid displayed preferential antineoplastic properties, including induction of apoptosis in a CRC cell line.




    Apoptosis (from Ancient Greek ἀπόπτωσις "falling off") is a process of programmed cell death that occurs in multicellular organisms. Biochemical events lead to characteristic cell changes (morphology) and death.
     
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    Additionally, coconut oil improves quality of life among breast cancer patients and reduces symptoms from chemotherapy.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25163649?dopt=Abstract

    The effects of virgin coconut oil (VCO) as supplementation on quality of life (QOL) among breast cancer patients.
     
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    It really depends on the tumor and the prognosis. There are a lot of different types of tumors that grow at different rates. The reason to postpone the surgery is for the benefit of both the mother and the unborn child. My niece had a brain tumor removed in her late 20s, in between the births of her two daughters. She's now 55 and has had no further complications. Her doctor would not recommend postponing the surgery if he did not think it in his patient's best interest.

    BNM
     
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    I believe that but I hope they got more opinions about it.
     
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    Is there a translation of this into English?
     
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    No one here knows what the best treatment for this particular patient is. We all hope her doctor does. Best of health to her. :cheers:
     
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    Yes. Coconut oil kills cancer cells. Coconut oil contains MCT (medium chain triglycerides/fatty acids). The CRCs are the cancer cells. The apoptosis of those cells is their "programmed cell death"

    It was experimentally observed. They put the cells in petri dishes and added various things, then analyzed the result. This is the peer reviewed paper that crandc asked for.

    I certainly wouldn't recommend someone forgo treatment and take coconut oil instead. It doesn't hurt to take it along with the treatment though.

    There's a lot to be said for treating disease with diet. This is becoming more clear as more research is being done.

    @Further
     
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    The last thing I'd ever do is pretend like I know anything about curing a brain tumor but I know medical marijuana can ease a lot of discomfort.. I'm sure they have the best doctors available to make this decision...I just hope she survives and they are successful with the treatment
     
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    Yes, I think you said it fairly plainly. However, I would mention that in vitro (in the petri dish) a gigantic list of things drive apoptosis, whereas in vivo (in living organisms like mice or humans) that list dwindles greatly at high enough dosages, at least without causing other death-inducing side affects.

    A quick search of in vivo coconut oil studies - I didn't find any successful cancer inhibiting studies, but I did find some interesting results about virgin coconut oil being used in mice to combat depression and stress. The cause was unknown but MCT's were one of the leading theories.

    I wouldn't use it to combat cancer personally, but there could be some health benefits. There does seem to be a fair amount of evidence that coconut oil does help in the absorption of many vitamins and some nutrients. So much so, that it is included now in some hospital infant formulas to aid in malnutrition and malnourishment. Actually, MCT's are used in many hospital feeding formulas now for all ages.





    As far as Lauren and Drue, I hope they come through this healthy with their family in tact. Such a tough thing for anyone to go through.






    EDIT
    We actually don't if it would hurt to take alongside other treatments. I suspect you are correct, but there have been many instances of drugs and foods adversely meshing with certain cancer therapeutics.
     
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    I agree. You can test things in mice but you never really know until humans are tested. Same for petri dishes.

    Even then, human trials are subject to confounding and are really expensive to run.
     

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