1st Debate! Trump vs Clinton

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  1. MarAzul

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    Let's see now,

    Hillary voted for the war in Iraq. That is on record, she voted as a Senator.
    Trump says he opposed the war but he didn't vote so there is no official record.

    She says he is lying.

    Cavuto Support Trump. Hanity Supports Trump as long time friend who was for the war.
    Barfo won't accept Hanity's word because he is Hanity.
    I was against the war in Iraq, Trump was on my side when listening to Hannity.
    I didn't vote against the war, so I can't prove I was against the war. Is that something to call a man a liar over? Hillary did, Barbo does. Is this sensible?

    Hillary told us Benghazi was cause by a fucking video made by an amateur. I looked at the video the first day I heard about it, and it was too poor to cause anyone to get pissed.
    Now telling people this yarn is fucking lying on a grand scale. Lester Holt didn't ask though. I would like to have asked her, was it sensible to jail the man that made the video
    as she promised they would do?
     
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  2. MarAzul

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    Yes but he does know what to do with a cigar!
     
  3. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    No because he isnt cool like that
     
  4. MarAzul

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    Bill was Cool?
     
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    MARIS61 Real American

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    By all liberal accounts, Trump publicly opposed the Iraq war no later than 2005. That's years before most posters here and most Americans nationwide figured out our government had lied to us about who attacked us, who financed it, and of course that little white lie about WMD's.

    Hillary still supports it 100% to this day.
     
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    And she has an insatiable, sociopathic bloodthirst:

     
  7. MarAzul

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    I am not so sure WMD were lies either. They were used on the Kurds and Iran. Seem to be plenty in the area today. We didn't find any but that doesn't prove a thing.
     
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    He said he was opposed to the rush to war.

    Sure looks like he suggested not rushing to war.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Why is Trump’s opinion on the war so important? He was not a politician with inside info to help him form an opinion. He was relying on the same info we got from the press, which was very slanted.

    We have many important issues to fix in this country. Spending so much time on this topic is a waste of energy.
     
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    Because Clinton was for it. They don't want to lose the anti-war crowd to Trump if he was opposed.
     
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    Even if that's what he said (I contend you are inferring he said things in that video he did not), that's still not equivalent to saying he was opposed to the Iraq war. He also in that same clip said either go in, or don't go in, make up your mind. You could infer that he was supportive of the Iraq War starting earlier than it started. I don't think we are going to agree on this, so we can leave it at that.
     
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    Trump has backpedaled on his stands over and over and over....fact check all you want...he just tells people what he thinks they want to hear and he'll change it if it comes back to bite him......Obama's birth certificate comes to mind...his witch hunt for Mexicans has now been watered down to him thinking some can stay...that video is a piece of dust on the double standard table of Trump's campaign...that anyone trusts his judgement at all or holds him to his word lowers my opinion of the ability for folks to make an informed decision in this election. He's a horrible candidate.....that's a fact
     
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    People that are held in check by a strong man are not necessarily peace loving candidates for democracy as we have been lead to believe.
    When you take out the brute, in the spirit of doing good, you don't have any idea of what you will get unless you have a complete plan to install the democracy and support it.
    But then no President has the moral authority to force this vision on another people so it almost can not end in other way than complete chaos.

    Trump knows this fact and Hillary has proven she does not, nor will she learn the lesson.
    It is worthy of discussion.
     
  15. barfo

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    That's exactly it. He could have had a perfectly good talking point by saying 'It wasn't my job to decide whether to go to war back then. It was Hillary's job, and she blew it'.
    That's a perfectly honest thing to say. But it isn't what he said.

    Instead, he's repeatedly claimed to be 'among the first' to oppose the war. Which he certainly was not, except for maybe his pillow-talk with Sean Hannity. At best, he was among the last to say "maybe we shouldn't rush it, but I'm not sure".

    Thus he took something that he could have hit Hillary over the head with, and shot himself in the foot instead.

    barfo
     
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    Ha! So he didn't handle the issue to your standard of perfection. Well dang.
     
  17. Chris Craig

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    Yeah man...like you said he knows what to do with a cigar plus he can play the hell out of a saxaphone
     
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    This is what opposition to the war looks like. This is from October 2002, 3.5 months before Trump's wishy-washy statement about 'do it or don't do it, I don't know.'

    Now, compare and contrast to:

    Trump is a real anti-war hero, all right.

    barfo
     
  19. MarAzul

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    err, your inferring did not meet with my implying. :blush:
     
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    Trump could say he's gonna have fucking monkeys build the wall on the Mexican border and you'd be right along with him
     

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