1st Debate! Trump vs Clinton

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  1. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    True.

    I thought the woman was Laura Bush.

    You shouldn't insult Charles Manson like that.

    Oh sure you were.
     
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    The Chicago Tribune, President Obama's hometown newspaper, has endorsed Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson for president.
     
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    I sure was. I still protest the establishment in many of my posts. Those who did protest the establishment now are its biggest supporters.

    I'm not the hypocrite.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    False. Maybe you hung around those protesting tuition hikes or something, not the enduring international issues.
     
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    Anti-establishment.

    Anti - against
    Establishment - what they're now for.

    Where are the anti-war protesters who gathered when Bush dropped bombs, now that Obama is?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-establishment#1960s

    Anti-Establishment became a buzzword of the tumultuous 1960s. Young people raised in comparative luxury saw many wrongs perpetuated by society and began to question "the Establishment". Contentious issues included the ongoing Vietnam War with no clear goal or end point, the constant military build-up and diversion of funds for the Cold War, perpetual widespread poverty being ignored, money-wastingboondoggles like pork barrel projects and the Space Race, festering race issues, a stultifying education system, repressive laws and harsh sentences for casual drug use, and a general malaise among the older generation. On the other side, "Middle America" often regarded questions as accusations, and saw the younger generation as spoiled, drugged-out, sex-crazed, unambitious slackers.

    Anti-Establishment debates were common because they touched on everyday aspects of life. Even innocent questions could escalate into angry diatribes. For example, "Why do we spend millions on a foreign war and a space program when our schools are falling apart?" would be answered with "We need to keep our military strong and ready to stop the Communists from taking over the world." As in any debate, there were valid and unsupported arguments on both sides. "Make love not war" invoked "America, love it or leave it."

    As the 1960s simmered, the anti-Establishment adopted conventions in opposition to the Establishment. T-shirts and blue jeans became the uniform of the young because their parents wore collar shirts and slacks. Drug use, with its illegal panache, was favored over the legal consumption of alcohol. Promoting peace and love was the antidote to promulgating hatred and war. Living in genteel poverty was more "honest" than amassing a nest egg and a house in the suburbs. Rock 'n roll was played loud over easy listening. Dodging the draft was passive resistance to traditional military service. Dancing was free-style, not learned in a ballroom. Over time, anti-establishment messages crept into popular culture: songs, fashion, movies, lifestyle choices, television.

    The emphasis on freedom allowed previously hushed conversations about sex, politics, or religion to be openly discussed. A wave of liberation movements came out of 1960s: the feminist movement, the Black Panthers and Black Power, gay rights, Native American awareness, even "Gray Power" for elders. Programs were put in place to deal with inequities: Equal Opportunity Employment, the Head Start Program, enforcement of the Civil Rights Act, busing, and others. But the widespread dissemination of new ideas also sparked a backlash and resurgence in conservative religions, new segregated private schools, anti-gay and anti-abortion legislation, and other reversals. Extremists tended to be heard more because they made good copy for newspapers and television. In many ways, the angry debates of the 1960s led to modern right-wing talk radio and coalitions for "traditional family values".


    As the 1960s passed, society had changed to the point that the definition of the Establishment had blurred, and the term "anti-establishment" seemed to fall out of use.

    Emphasis on freedom - Libertarianism.
     
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    Yes, the media was put under even stricter control. I guess that proves your thesis, that all anti-establishment people became pro-establishment. Appearances are never deceiving, and there is no undercurrent other than what those in power want you to know about.
     
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    Either you're anti-establishment or you're not.

    Nothing's changed enough for the better to change peoples' minds.
     
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    That's my problem with the media these days. They accuse Trump of lying or whatever, and on quite a few of those claims, he's proven right.

    Like Clinton campaign started the birther thing, or he was against the rush to war at a time when support for the war was high.
     
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    Gotta hand it to CNN. They actually are admitting they were wrong by posting the story front and center... bout time..
     
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    FTFY.

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    Actually, it's surprising how truthful he is, in reality. Reality is not the same thing as barfoland(tm)
     
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    Yes, only one lie every 3 minutes. He's a real honest guy.

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    Hiliar isn't any better. Those around her and her sycophants lie on her behalf, too. They even lie about lying.
     
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    Actually, she objectively is better. She lies significantly less often.

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    No she doesn't.

    Only the fact checkers when they lie say she is telling the truth.
     
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    Prove it. Show me evidence that she lies more often than he does. Bet you can't.

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    People use the term "lie" pretty loosely. From my perspective, if you're talking about being factually correct, I think Clinton is generally more on top of her facts. Trump just plain doesn't give a flying fig about facts. They just get in the way of the rants that he goes on so he manufactures whatever "facts" fit with his narrative.

    When people talk about Hillary's "lies", they aren't usually talking about the facts she uses on the campaign trail. They're talking about her intentional duplicitous practices and misleading statements relating to the emails, Benghazi, speaking fees, the Clinton Foundation, etc.
     

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