Bron's team had over 50 wins and only like 4 wins less. He had a homecourt in the first round of playoffs, and his averages were incredible with 32/7/6 on 48% shooting.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jan 28 2007, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bron's team had over 50 wins and only like 4 wins less. He had a homecourt in the first round of playoffs, and his averages were incredible with 32/7/6 on 48% shooting.</div>Exactly I agree, and Kobe took a team of no bodys pretty much to playoffs also.So they should have gotten it before Nash, and same thing for the year before that Nash should not have won it.I think he should win it this year for now, but the last 2 years was a joke espaically last year.
2 years ago wasn't a joke, he brought a 35 win team to 60+ wins and the best record in the league and increased his, and others, production. But yeah, last year he didn't deserve it at all and Kobe and bron were robbed.
Top 5 Scorers1. Kobe Bryant2. Gilbert Arenas3. Carmelo Anthony4. LeBron James5. Allen IversonTop 5 Shooters1. Ray Allen2. Steve Nash3. Michael Redd4. Kyle Korver5. Dirk NowitzkiTop 5 Passers1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chris Paul4. Andre Miller5. Chauncey BillupsTop 5 Rebounders1. Dwight Howard2. Shawn Marion3. Kevin Garnett4. Tim Duncan5. Tim DuncanTop 5 Perimeter Defenders1. Bruce Bowen2. Ron Artest3. Tayshaun Prince4. Kobe Bryant5. Adrian GriffinTop 5 Interior Defenders1. Tim Duncan2. Emeka Okafor3. Alonzo Mourning4. Dwight Howard5. Kevin GarnettTop 5 Players Overall1. Kobe Bryant2. LeBron James3. Dwyane Wade4. Dirk Nowitzki5. Steve NashTop 5 Favorite Players1. Kobe Bryant2. LeBron James3. David Lee4. Tracy McGrady5. Jamal Crawford
1. Kobe Bryant2. Lebron James3. Dwyane Wade4. Kevin Garnett5. Tim Duncan6. Dirk Nowitzki7. Yao Ming8. Allen Iverson9. Carmelo Anthony10. Steve Nash
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Camby23Land @ Jan 28 2007, 03:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Top 5 Passers5. Steve Blake</div>LOL. Steve Blake is a good passer and he's a pretty smart player, but you know damn well that that was such a homer pick.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>1. Kobe Bryant2. Lebron James3. Dwyane Wade4. Kevin Garnett5. Tim Duncan6. Dirk Nowitzki7. Yao Ming8. Allen Iverson9. Carmelo Anthony10. Steve Nash</div>Hey, CB4, thanks for reading the thread.
:Swoon: Top 5 Scorers1. Kobe Bryant2. Gilbert Arenas3. Allen Iverson4. Carmelo Anthony5. Lebron JamesTop 5 Shooters1. Ray Allen2. Steve Nash3. Michael Redd4. Gilbert Arenas5. Anthony Parker (in january)Top 5 Passers1. Steve Nash2. Chris Paul3. Jason Kidd4. Deron Williams5. Andre MillerTop 5 Rebounders1. Dwight Howard2. Kevin Garnett3. Marcus Camby4. Tim Duncan5. Emeka OkaforTop 5 Perimeter Defenders1. Ron Artest2. Bruce Bowen3. Tayshaun Prince4. Chauncey Billups5. Jason KiddTop 5 Interior Defenders1. Tim Duncan2. Kevin Garnett3. Emeka Okafor4. Dwight Howard5. Jermaine O'NealTop 5 Players Overall1. Kobe Bryant2. LeBron James3. Dwyane Wade4. Kevin Garnett5. Tim DuncanTop 5 Favorite Players1. Chris Bosh2. TJ Ford3. Andrea Bargnani4. Jose Calderon5. Anthony ParkerHonorable Mention: Mo Pete
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jan 29 2007, 01:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>2 years ago wasn't a joke, he brought a 35 win team to 60+ wins and the best record in the league and increased his, and others, production. But yeah, last year he didn't deserve it at all and Kobe and bron were robbed.</div>2 years ago was not a joke like last year but still.Shaq, and Dirk deserved it more. And Iverson as a metter of fact that year. AI <u>DOUBLED</u> Nash point average that season. And the assists Nash was only better by 3. 3 assists = 6 points AI scored 15 more points then Nash that year again <u>DOUBLE</u>. And AI was better in steals. Now AI did not lead his team to 60 wins or w/e, but he did lead his team to the playoffs that year. And they played DET the team that ended up winning the title in the first round did great for how bad of a team the Sixers were. And AI did not have Marion/Amare/Bell's D/ect.......................And for AI I am not just being a homer he finished like tied for 5th in voting that year for MVP only reason other guys were higher cause Nash+Shaq new teams first year and they won a lot of games so did Dirk's team with out Nash for the first year.But if you check AI's # and Nash's AI clearly should have finished ahead in the MVP votes. Not sure if AI should have beat out Shaq, and Dirk also don't remember of the top of my head how they were exactly that season, but AI was better that year then Nash. And his team did make the playoffs also as like the 7th seat.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Jan 27 2007, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe is not a top 5 perimeter defender.</div>Thank you.Top 5 Scorers1.Carmelo Anthony2.Gilbert Arenas3.Kobe Bryant4.Dwyane Wade5.Tracy McGradyTop 5 Shooters1.Ray Allen2.Steve Nash3.Dirk Nowitzki4.Gilbert Arenas5.Michael ReddTop 5 Passers1.Steve Nash2.Jason Kidd3.Chris Paul4.LeBron James5.Deron WilliamsTop 5 Rebounders1.Kevin Garnett2.Dwight Howard3.Carlos Boozer4.Tim Duncan5.Marcus CambyTop 5 Perimeter Defenders1.Bruce Bowen2.Ron Artest3.Shawn Marion4.Raja Bell5.Manu GinobiliTop 5 Interior Defenders1.Tim Duncan2.Emeka Okafor3.Alonzo Mourning4.Ben Wallace5.Dwight HowardTop 5 Players Overall1.Kobe Bryant2.Tim Duncan3.Dwyane Wade4.LeBron James5.Gilbert ArenasTop 5 Favorite Players1.LeBron James2.Gilbert Arenas3.Amare Stoudemire4.Ray Allen5.Tracy McGrady
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Jan 30 2007, 02:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>2 years ago was not a joke like last year but still.Shaq, and Dirk deserved it more. And Iverson as a metter of fact that year. AI <u>DOUBLED</u> Nash point average that season. And the assists Nash was only better by 3. 3 assists = 6 points AI scored 15 more points then Nash that year again <u>DOUBLE</u>. And AI was better in steals. Now AI did not lead his team to 60 wins or w/e, but he did lead his team to the playoffs that year. And they played DET the team that ended up winning the title in the first round did great for how bad of a team the Sixers were. And AI did not have Marion/Amare/Bell's D/ect.......................And for AI I am not just being a homer he finished like tied for 5th in voting that year for MVP only reason other guys were higher cause Nash+Shaq new teams first year and they won a lot of games so did Dirk's team with out Nash for the first year.But if you check AI's # and Nash's AI clearly should have finished ahead in the MVP votes. Not sure if AI should have beat out Shaq, and Dirk also don't remember of the top of my head how they were exactly that season, but AI was better that year then Nash. And his team did make the playoffs also as like the 7th seat.</div>The Sixers had like 43 wins in a week conference that year and didn't have the incredible turnaround the Suns did. Iverson wasn't even in consideration for the award. The only candidates were Nash and Shaq and Nash was very deserving, he wasn't a runaway winner, but no MVP is really. There's always a debate but it was farrrr from BS. He was deserving last year too even though LeBron and Dirk deserved it more, probably Kobe too just because of the great personal achievements.And it was San Antonio that won the title I think.Also, Iverson was scoring more but his FG% was lower by 8% and his 3 point shooting lower by 13%...FT% also down by 5%. And Nash averaging 3.5 more assists with 7 minutes less playing time is a HUGE difference. The Suns' expectations that year were just slightly better than the Sixers too. They were supposed to struggle to even make the playoffs and the finished with the best record in the West. Iverson was good, but there is almost never an MVP from a very average team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Feb 4 2007, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Sixers had like 43 wins in a week conference that year and didn't have the incredible turnaround the Suns did. Iverson wasn't even in consideration for the award. The only candidates were Nash and Shaq and Nash was very deserving, he wasn't a runaway winner, but no MVP is really. There's always a debate but it was farrrr from BS. He was deserving last year too even though LeBron and Dirk deserved it more, probably Kobe too just because of the great personal achievements.And it was San Antonio that won the title I think.Also, Iverson was scoring more but his FG% was lower by 8% and his 3 point shooting lower by 13%...FT% also down by 5%. And Nash averaging 3.5 more assists with 7 minutes less playing time is a HUGE difference. The Suns' expectations that year were just slightly better than the Sixers too. They were supposed to struggle to even make the playoffs and the finished with the best record in the West. Iverson was good, but there is almost never an MVP from a very average team.</div>Hmm 43 thought it was more, but don't matetr 7th seat they made the playoffs. And for god sake even if they had missed the playoffs this is reguler season award not playoffs award. And are you smoking AI was tied for 4th in voting that year with Duncan dude. It was Nash, and Shaq close race and then Dirk 3rd. And I agree about you can always argue 2 years ago okay you can maybe argue last year WAS A JOKE EASY Lebron/Kobe/Dirk all 3 should have won before Nash. Last year was not right.I think that was the year DET won maybe I am wrong about who won.And 7 less min, but he had better back up I am sure then AI. And no matter what he did not have to play many minutes like AI he had help. Yes he played less min, but I can easy argue that AI should have won it 2 years ago. And if not him then Shaq, or Dirk.Suns had a lot of stuff don't no what people though AI had no body like the Suns. I am tired of players not getting props for how good they are cause they are on a bad team. Ray Allen there is a lot of guards, but should have made the all star team ahead of Tony Parker this year. Joe Johnson from the east did not get in with how good he is. It is not 1 players fault they are losing so why should they not get rewarded for having a great season if they just have no one good around them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AmBitIoNz23 @ Feb 5 2007, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How is Andre Iguodala on no-ones list as a top perimeter defender?</div>Iggy is good at D your right.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Feb 6 2007, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hmm 43 thought it was more, but don't matetr 7th seat they made the playoffs. And for god sake even if they had missed the playoffs this is reguler season award not playoffs award. And are you smoking AI was tied for 4th in voting that year with Duncan dude. It was Nash, and Shaq close race and then Dirk 3rd. And I agree about you can always argue 2 years ago okay you can maybe argue last year WAS A JOKE EASY Lebron/Kobe/Dirk all 3 should have won before Nash. Last year was not right.I think that was the year DET won maybe I am wrong about who won.And 7 less min, but he had better back up I am sure then AI. And no matter what he did not have to play many minutes like AI he had help. Yes he played less min, but I can easy argue that AI should have won it 2 years ago. And if not him then Shaq, or Dirk.Suns had a lot of stuff don't no what people though AI had no body like the Suns. I am tired of players not getting props for how good they are cause they are on a bad team. Ray Allen there is a lot of guards, but should have made the all star team ahead of Tony Parker this year. Joe Johnson from the east did not get in with how good he is. It is not 1 players fault they are losing so why should they not get rewarded for having a great season if they just have no one good around them.</div>It is a regular season award, and the regular season determines the playoff seeding and that shows how well you do in the season. Nash had no back-up at all. We had our top 5, then we had Jacobsen and 2 big guys, then Steven Hunter and later on Jim Jackson on the bench. We usually had 6 players playing and our bench was horrible. There was no one who could take over for Steve Nash. If anyone on the Sixers had a label of PG on the bench they were better than anyone that was on the floor for Nash. Barbosa wasn't very good that year.Iverson gets plenty of "props." He is one of the most popular players in the game today and on everyone's top 10 player list, but he did not deserve MVP that season. Nash had good teammates, but he made them better. Q was never as good without Nash and Joe Johnson was putting up great shooting percentages. Our expectations were very low but Nash changed that and surprised everyone. That year Nash was running everything. Without him we were absolutely pathetic even with the talent on the team. He controlled everything that happened and the team was so lost without him. There was no ball movement or anything without him off the floor. It was a little better last year with House coming in and making 3's but 2 years ago the Suns were dependant on him playing well.If you go by how many minutes they played, by the stats Nash was really close to AI, but then you factor in that bad teams don't get MVP's unless the player blows the competition away and also that the Suns had one of the top turnarounds in history because of Nash and he really deserved it. The only person that I would agree deserved it would be Shaq. He was great and his team was actually very good. Neither of Nash's MVP's were BS. Last year it could have gone to the other 3, but when Nash raised his numbers from the year before and kept the team afloat when Amare went out, it's hard to say that he didn't deserve it at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Feb 7 2007, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It is a regular season award, and the regular season determines the playoff seeding and that shows how well you do in the season. Again having someone to help would also make a diff.Nash had no back-up at all. We had our top 5, then we had Jacobsen and 2 big guys, then Steven Hunter and later on Jim Jackson on the bench. We usually had 6 players playing and our bench was horrible. There was no one who could take over for Steve Nash. If anyone on the Sixers had a label of PG on the bench they were better than anyone that was on the floor for Nash. Barbosa wasn't very good that year.Ow come on I don't care what you say Suns that year had many many guys to help compared to AI.Iverson gets plenty of "props." He is one of the most popular players in the game today and on everyone's top 10 player list, but he did not deserve MVP that season. Nash had good teammates, but he made them better. Q was never as good without Nash and Joe Johnson was putting up great shooting percentages. Our expectations were very low but Nash changed that and surprised everyone. That year Nash was running everything. Without him we were absolutely pathetic even with the talent on the team. He controlled everything that happened and the team was so lost without him. There was no ball movement or anything without him off the floor. It was a little better last year with House coming in and making 3's but 2 years ago the Suns were dependant on him playing well.Plenty of props in a way I agree in others I don't. A lot of times he get's killed when he does not have guys to help him about how his team plays. And no one really ranks AI as top 20 in the game yet Kobe is. And out side of winning titles with Shaq AI has done MORE then Kobe. Yes Kobe will be better then AI, but don't think he is yet when you take out the titles he got with Shaq. And AI clearly did every was talking him for MVP even with the record they had and only being a 7th seat. He finished 4th in votings ONLY because Nash, and Shaq came to new teams that sucked the season before and won a lot of games. And Dirk did great unlike some thought with out Nash lots of wins also. If Shaq stayed, and Nash stayed they would not have won they got that extra bump due to teams that sucked year before winning so many games after they came. AI deserved the MVP deff more then Nash that year. Shaq+Dirk I can't say cause I don't remember what they did that season. And I am not a Nash fan, but I don't hate him so that is not the reason I am saying that. I think he should win it this year I mean 20/10 kinda #'s are great I know more then 10 assists I am just saying. So nothing against Nash this year I think he should win it I give him the props. The other 2 years he should not have won it. And last year you can't even argue Kobe+Lebron were raped. And Dirk also I think should have finished higher.If you go by how many minutes they played, by the stats Nash was really close to AI, but then you factor in that bad teams don't get MVP's unless the player blows the competition away and also that the Suns had one of the top turnarounds in history because of Nash and he really deserved it. The only person that I would agree deserved it would be Shaq. He was great and his team was actually very good. Neither of Nash's MVP's were BS. Last year it could have gone to the other 3, but when Nash raised his numbers from the year before and kept the team afloat when Amare went out, it's hard to say that he didn't deserve it at all.</div>^^^Well AI #'s were A LOT higher then Nash in some.And last year no you can't argue was bs. I understand arguing year before that. But last year how the heck you going to say 30/7/7 from Lebron is not MVP compared to Nash. And Kobe what he done with a team not man guys around him also was crazy good. Them 2 deserved it more EASY. And Dirk also great season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Thank you.Top 5 Perimeter Defenders1.Bruce Bowen2.Ron Artest3.Shawn Marion4.Raja Bell5.Manu Ginobili</div>Kobe plays better defense the raja bell and Ginobli combined. Raja imo is the most overrated defender of all time. His got torched multiple times this season and he has no execuse like kobe does (who's lateral movement earlier this season looked like Mj with the wizards ). He's just a guy who hustles and puts effort in. Sasha Vujacic does that and he gets no credit for it.Top perimeter defenders I would think would look like this1- Ron artest2- Kirk HinrichI can't think of 3 other defenders who have impressed me this season
Top 5 Scorers1. Kobe Bryant2. Gilbert Arenas3. Dwayne Wade4. Allen Iverson5. LeBron JamesTop 5 Shooters1. Kobe Bryant2. Rip Hamilton3. Ray Allen4. Steve Nash5. Michael ReddTop 5 Passers1. Steve Nash2. Jason Kidd3. Chauncey Billups4. Chris Paul5. Tony ParkerTop 5 Rebounders1. Ben Wallace2. Dwight Howard3. Marcus Camby4. Al Jefferson5. Kevin GarnettTop 5 Perimeter Defenders1. Bruce Bowen2. Ron Artest3. Kobe Bryant4. Jason Kidd5. Chauncey BillupsTop 5 Interior Defenders1. Ben Wallace2. Emeka Okafor3. Dwight Howard4. Tim Duncan5. Jermaine O'NealTop 5 Players Overall1. Kobe Bryant2. Steve Nash3. Dirk Nowitzki4. Gilbert Arenas5. LeBron JamesTop 5 Favorite Players1. Chauncey Billups2. Rip Hamilton3. Tayshaun Prince4. Kobe Bryant5. Gilbert Arenas
Melo, I don't know how you can say Kobe plays better defense than Bell and Manu when their priority is more on the defensive than Kobes. Kobe is still always first on the offensive end.
