Trail Blazers huddle during national anthem as display of unity

Something has to be done, and I'll be damned if I know what. But until "protesters" is no longer an acceptable thing to call people who co-opt legitimately peaceful protests with legitimate grievances burn, damage, injure, and steal, then the real protesters, the ones out there doing the right things for the right reasons, will continue to be disappointed by the level of credibility their movement is given.

 

I find most of the posts that support not showing respect for our country disgusting. The above quote represent the ignorance that fosters this lack of respect for country when we all should, in togetherness, take a moment to honor the work and sacrifice it took to create and sustain this Nation.

When the Flag is shown and the anthem is played, I salute the Flag. An extremely high percentage of people that have served this nation, do the same. I am just one of them.

If you have a grievance to protest, pick another time and place, you have no need to piss on everyone that proud to be and American and even please to have served.

 

Right here my man... a few posts back!


You want to know how and what will actually make a change?

Treating each other like we would like to be treated on an individual level. Give respect to each other.
Help thy neighbor raise thy barn.

Its the only way we will see a change and this change will take a long time. No movement or law will help. Its up to each person individually to treat each other equally and respectfully.

Until this happens there will continue to be problems....

 

I'm in, but how to get everyone else to follow your excellent advice? That is the question.

 

This is the ignorance right there. The ignoring (or unknowing) That not everyone is proud to be an american. We were just born in this country (NOT ME per say).


If you want to pull ny quote out and use it as a reference for ignorance, you better address the points I made, or you are simply validating my posts...

*Palm to forehead*....

That's like saying I was born in Germany in 1919... so I should be proud of my country and the superiority complex it had during that era...

Come on man...

How can you possibly use my quote as a basis for ignorance when your post is so vague it reaks of ignorance.

You do know our history and how this country came to be and how most of the rich became rich right?

 

You cant. Its free will.

All we can do is control our own surroundings and how we interact with each other and hope it starts the domino effect. This effect can take years and decades to complete though, so it takes patience and persistence and not giving up in the face of adversity.

Stay the course.

 

On a similar respect, can you explain to me why you need to feel patriotic before a Blazer game? As you say, why not pick another time and place?

 

Sorry man, but I have to go further on this. You think others are ignorant? Honestly. What work and sacrifice did our founders make?

Are you referring to how we brought in Chinese slave workers to start our railroad system?

Or maybe it was the work that some did when they stuck a stick in the ground and said I own this land and then toss blacks in chains to pick their cotton or work their farms?

Or maybe it was how we acted as though we were fair when we traded muskets for land to the Native Americans... and then the sacrifice it took to then take the land?

Lots of work and sacrifice involved in that. Your right. I am ignorant.....



Sometimes, i'm embarrassed to be a white euro American, when others think we are owed this land or we don't have to atone for our actions from 100 years ago...

We may not be the cause of the problems that started generations ago, but to act as though it was all on the up and up and we shouldn't have to do anything to correct things is way more ignorant than my post you referenced

 

And there were a large percentage of free blacks and chinese roaming the states then right?

And how many white slaves were around then?

I get your point, but its symantics man.

The fact is, we enslaved humans and then said they arent to be counted as whole people. and those who were enslaved were largely Black and Chinese.

Again... there were alot of white slaves working for free back then right?

 

Then those people can use the freedom that this country affords them and they can get the fuck out if they don't like it..

 

>> It is too bad, perhaps that is the problem. Most of the people that have served this Nation are proud to be an American.

>> Most learn this is a blessing. Three of my grandparents and father immigrated to this country and never let it be unknown that I was fortunate to be born here.
My Father was proud to serve in the US Navy, his last day was on the job.

Because you did not quote the current Constitution (as modified by amendments) and then asking, "How much pride should we take in it?".
Well you know, the things you bitch about have been corrected? A long time ago now! And even so, the original word written were to guide a new Nation, better than the one that existed, not to create Nirvana. The framers did not create slavery, it had existed in the world for many thousands of years prior to the creation of this country. The history here needs to be understood and you simply call them racist! Very inaccurate, but more than I want to type to correct.

You bet, read most everything written on the subject.

No I do not. But I have heard the tales of how some became rich.

 

Sorry man, but I can't stand people that give off this vib, let alone say it.

 

Or we can just stay and not be patriotic.

 

If you want to see if you can get the Blazers to not do the anthem before ball games, I would have no objection. The NBA might though.

 

But see, you are now going the opposite of what this country is SUPPOSED to represent... the ability to accept multiple ideas or opinions, but if someone disagrees wqith how you feel about the country, they should leave?:

Hypocritical, dont you think?

It is indeed too bad and is indeed part of the problem.

Listen. I dont disagree with you and I stand every game and remove my hat. What i am saying is that not all Americans view the country as others do. To say this was all corrected years ago is also ignorant. as if a law just made the problems go away.

Didn't strop my grandfather from calling the neighborhood kid his N** that comes and mows his lawn.

Nothing has stopped the bigotry and no laws will. Again, its up to us as an individual and if you think the government created some laws and all of a sudden, poof... things are equal.. well then that is also ignorant.

How do you pay back or make up for enslaving generations of a race? You cant.

Other than giving it time and changing ourselves on an individual level, but people aren't doing that and my grandfather is proof of that.. so... younger generations see it isn't changing even if the laws say it has changed, so they protest.


Most learn being born in America is a blessing, when your not born into poverty. Yes. It is a blessing to be born here and be a white male.

 

FTFY

Not at all. But I won't get into it. It's hip now to be un-patriotic.

 

Great post. Not only servicemen and servicewomen died for that flag. Millions of Natives and millions of slaves were killed too. And, since those times that flag has NEVER represented us all. Ask the black soldier who had to stand on the train while his German POW got a seat. He went and fought Nazi Germany for that flag and before he even got home knew that the flag he was fighting under didn't respect him or his people.