Trail Blazers huddle during national anthem as display of unity

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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I'm offended that you have that viewpoint regarding everyone expecting unanimity of beliefs and viewpoints. I'm extremely angry with you now, and look down on you disrespectfully as a result of your differing viewpoint.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    OK...not sure exactly what you're arguing here, but OK.

    Still, the point remains that given the choice of counting slaves as equal parts of the population and giving the South unreasonable power and control over the United States, and dividing the colonies and allowing the Brits to come back and re-conquer a weakened America, neither of those options were palatable. Since you continue to insist that the 3/5 compromise reflects racism rather than unfortunate necessity, what alternative would you have preferred?
     
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    No, no, I get you. Im just saying we have amendments meant to radify/modify our constitution. We never amended it. We just omitted it. So I see that as a bit of a slight. If you get a copy of today's Constitution, it says all persons. But there was never an amendment directed to fix this. At some point we just changed it. And since we did, Im saying we could have done it alot sooner. The reasons why it reads as it does from the original, I get your point. But it is Still a slight on anyone not white/ ie not free.
     
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    noknobs Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. It's like if I think something's disrespectful I get a bunch of shit for it and called names. Oh but I'm sure that's completely different than what you're referring to...
     
  5. Orion Bailey

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    LOL....
     
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    the 14th amendment changed it. The 3/5 compromise was part of the apportionment of representatives to the House. After slavery was abolished by the 13th, the reference to slaves was overridden by the 14th.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourt...of_representation_in_House_of_Representatives

     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Corporations are not people.
     
  8. Orion Bailey

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    Ahh so they wapped it in. I was searching for its own amendment.

    And how many years did it take for this to happen? Too long is my point. :)
     
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    Um, you quoted me. And the sentence immediately before this you said, "And you should be celebrating the ability fo them to do this. Not condemning." So forgive me for thinking it was directed at me...

    Again... Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. You're just arguing with yourself at this point.

    I agree with you on this issue.

    That sounds like a great world to live in. Hopefully if a few more athletes huddle together during the anthem it will come true.
     
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  10. Orion Bailey

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    you are right. And if we complain about these huddles a bit more it will DEFINITELY COME TRUE... right?

    Aren't there bigger issues in this world to bitch about? Like what they are protesting?

    I use the word You far more than I should. Often I use it when I mean anyone. "You" meaning someone. My error, but my points remain the same and sound.

    People are bitching about their bitching.... when does it stop????? It stops when someone is the better man. I'm saying you, (And I do mean you now) have the ability to be this.
    Ill show you how it works, starting now...
    Carry on.
     
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    The US Supreme Court says, you’re wrong.

    As a matter of interpretation of the word "person" in the Fourteenth Amendment, U.S. courts have extended certain constitutional protections to corporations.

    The basis for allowing corporations to assert protection under the U.S. Constitution is that they are organizations of people, and the people should not be deprived of their constitutional rights when they act collectively.

    The laws of the United States hold that a legal entity (like a corporation or non-profit organization) shall be treated under the law as a person.
     
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    Football teams huddle between plays....nobody complains
     
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    5-4 ruling of citizens united. One of the more terrible decisions
     
  14. PtldPlatypus

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    Oh, silly me. I thought your point was that the 3/5 compromise showed that the people who wrote the Constitution were racist, rather than simply being the best of several bad options.
     
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    It was. You proved me wrong. I lost that one and swiftly switched gears to a battle I thought I might be victorious in! ;)
     
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    So, when someone prays in a movie, do you close your eyes? Of course not. There's a big difference between attending a live event and watching it on TV.
     
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    Pretty dumb ass take guys. You do realize when people fuck around disrespecting the National anthem, it is also disrespecting the Nation and the those that have served this nation.
    The only reason they are doing it, is to gain the attention of the people that you claim to be "too caught up" or "so worried". Quite frankly, a bunch of professional athletes that have never served
    and never will, have no right to disrespect those that have. Only fools would support them doing this foolishness. They may have a grievance they wish to support and assist in bring about a change, but they are simply misguided if they think pissing on the American veteran is going to help their cause. Supporting this dumb ass misguided disrespect won't help either.
     
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    The only reason they're doing it is for attention? Lmao. That's not the case.

    They're not doing it for your attention and to get you caught up. That's a ridiculous idea, and you're not that important.

    Not looking at the flag to send a positive message doesn't "piss" on the American veterans. Veterans fight for our freedom. Exercising freedom for a positive ideal shouldn't insult them, and if it does then they might be as fragile as the statements you've made.

    If anything, the applause after is pissing on veterans that gave their life. In the military, it is extremely disrespectful to clap after the anthem, as there's supposed to be a moment of silence for all those that gave their lives serving the country. Remember that next time you hear the anthem, and think that the players are the ones being disrespectful.
     
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    I find it offensive that people who have never served form their opinion on this issue, based on what they were taught as a child or what the mainstream media says.
    Many military members active and retired have defended Kap & these players.[(google is a useful tool to find things that went VIRAL)but no, please continue listening to the mainstream media which clearly has an agenda.]
    I never served the country, but I have asked family members who did serve.
    These family members of mine say "As long as they are peaceful, and don't harm anyone/property there isn't a problem. Which the majority of protests are peaceful."(my grandfather who was a gunner in WW2 and has Parkinsons said this not so clearly due to his disease. But this was the statement he made to me.)
    They aren't offended, they don't find it disrespectful to protest something that is supposed to stand for Equal Rights, Justice and Inclusiveness for all.
    As the this country right now stands for anything but that.

    People who say, oh if you don't like it go to x country or x country where you'd get locked up or killed for doing such actions.
    Basically telling people they're ignorant and need to broaden their experiences to see what would happen in other countries.
    This is another dumb and lame excuse use to minimize a problem. That I heard as a child by an older generation(aka in public Oregonian schools).
    Going to start saying to people who say this.
    "Excuse me, adults are talking."

    I'm sure it offends some, but not all. So don't generalize.
    I however guarantee you any vet who realizes all citizens aren't treated equally in america like they fought and sacrificed so much to achieve. Isn't offended. They are saddened that we are still dealing with this issue.
    It's why Kap went from sitting down, to kneeling.
    Or do people forget he asked a vet how to remain respectful of his sarifice?
    Oh that doesn't fit your narrow minded views.

    Must love having two amazing candidates to vote for this cycle.
    Fall in line. How dare you think for yourself. Fall in line.
     
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  20. blue32

    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    I'm offended you're offended that I'm offended you're offended!! We clear? Glad we got that out of the way! Whose on first!

    So what do you say to people who have served and feel differently than you do? Who, tell people that make statements like, "fuck America" and "I can't stand America" to go live somewhere else if it'll make their lives better? I mean seriously, if someone has so much hate for the country they live in then why don't they go somewhere else to be happy? When some people say those things to angry people, maybe it's not marginalizing shit, maybe it's advocating that people make a positive change in their life so that they are happy where they live, if that means moving then so be it? I can see how others may take it the wrong way though. People always look for the worst in others.

    Ultimately, These 'protestors' can do whatever the fuck they want, because its a free country. But that also means, other people can do what they want and protest the protestors. I protest when I'm unhappy, and I'm unhappy when I protest.

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