Tim Duncan was not even in half of BBW's 'Top 5' lists. I don't give a damn how flashy and talented LeBron James and Allen Iverson are, this guy is one of the leagues greatest defensive post players, very consistant and efficient offensive player. The sh*t he does goes beyond statistics, few people have his presense and almost nobody is as fundamentally sound. Tim Duncan is not 'slipping' like people keep saying. He gets so little respect around here that it makes me f*cking puke.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 27 2007, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tim Duncan was not even in half of BBW's 'Top 5' lists. I don't give a damn how flashy and talented LeBron James and Allen Iverson are, this guy is one of the leagues greatest defensive post players, very consistant and efficient offensive player. The sh*t he does goes beyond statistics, few people have his presense and almost nobody is as fundamentally sound. Tim Duncan is not 'slipping' like people keep saying. He gets so little respect around here that it makes me f*cking puke.</div>I put him third on my list. I agree with what your saying though. Everyone who is not putting him on their list obviously doesn't watch him play and are judging everything by stats. IMO when the guy retires he'll be a top 3 PF of all time. I think you could even make a case for him being the best PF of all time.
Well, I respect Mr.Duncan big time, and I know he is a outstanding player. HOF for sure. Just because I didn't put him in my top 5 for best players doesn't mean he is not respected. There are just better players out there now that are doing more then what Duncan is doing this season. If your talking about Career stats, sure Duncan is right there. But right now, I believe we are talking about top 5 players Now, this season. At least that is what I was thinking when I did mine.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 27 2007, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I respect Mr.Duncan big time, and I know he is a outstanding player. HOF for sure. Just because I didn't put him in my top 5 for best players doesn't mean he is not respected. There are just better players out there now that are doing more then what Duncan is doing this season. If your talking about Career stats, sure Duncan is right there. But right now, I believe we are talking about top 5 players Now, this season. At least that is what I was thinking when I did mine.</div> How is Duncan not a top 5 player? Just because he isn't putting up 25/12 a game? Like I said, his impact is bigger than statistics, I don't care how many points Arenas or Anthony put up, how good a passer LeBron is, Iverson's crossover...if your talking about basketball skills and smarts Tim Duncan is top 5 right now hands down.
I agree with you BCB. He's "boring" to watch if you're not a real basketball fan. The guy is a stud, and I personally love watching him play. I had him 4th on my overall list.
BCB ftw! Thank you! We have had plenty of long Tim Duncan arguments in the past, and he have come across people on this site who hate Duncan but have no reason why. They just do. Now, Tim Duncan is arguably the best PF ever to play the game (he is, IMO), and the lack of respect and/or recognition he gets is ridiculous. Not just on BBW, but nation-wide. Nobody ever talks about Duncan, and it's because he doesn't throw down like Amare. That's also why so many people love and vote for Vince Carter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 27 2007, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How is Duncan not a top 5 player? Just because he isn't putting up 25/12 a game? Like I said, his impact is bigger than statistics, I don't care how many points Arenas or Anthony put up, how good a passer LeBron is, Iverson's crossover...if your talking about basketball skills and smarts Tim Duncan is top 5 right now hands down.</div>Don't get me wrong, he does his job. He helps his team win ball games. It's not about how good LeBron Passes, or how many points Gilbert or Melo has. But, I'm just saying, there are more players that are doing more then what Duncan is doing this season.
I love TD, I think he is getting left out a bit now because he as more help than he ever has with Parker and Ginobilli- people think that detracts from what he does.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 27 2007, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't get me wrong, he does his job. He helps his team win ball games. It's not about how good LeBron Passes, or how many points Gilbert or Melo has. But, I'm just saying, there are more players that are doing more then what Duncan is doing this season.</div>Why don't you explain to me how because I bet you can't actually give a reason
He's not going to drop 40 often. He's not going to pull down 20 rebounds often, but you know what you're going ot get every night. A solid two way power forward that simply plays the game right and knows how to win. He may be the most underrated player in basketball, and this is all because people don't see on the bottom line on ESPN: Duncan (SA): 47 pts, 19 reb, 4 ast, 6 blk. He's not going to try to take over the game because thats not his style. He's going to do what he can do to make his team win, and that may be scoring, playing defense, etc, anything on any given night. I probably have more respect for him than any basketball player not named Paul Pierce.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 27 2007, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't get me wrong, he does his job. He helps his team win ball games. It's not about how good LeBron Passes, or how many points Gilbert or Melo has. But, I'm just saying, there are more players that are doing more then what Duncan is doing this season.</div> Like who? Tim Duncan is dominating defensively, scoring 20ppg shooting over 50%, been leading the Spurs deep into the playoffs forever...what the hell else do you want him to do? Hell Duncan playing defense puts him ahead of all these guys like Iverson, James and Arenas who have never heard of it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jan 27 2007, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't you explain to me how because I bet you can't actually give a reason</div>I just gave a reason, I am not to say Duncan shouldn't be in the top 5, I am not going to lie and say He doesn't belong there. Because the fact is, he should be there. But other people see it as what the players have done this season. Nash is leading his Suns to the best record in the NBA, Dirk is doing the same. James is leading the Cavaliers to being one of the best in the East, same with Gilbert. Melo and A.I are going to be sick together.Hell, if your going to talk about Duncan not being in the top 5, then what about KG? He is amazing, should he be there too? IMO, No, his team is down there low, and he is not really making a impact.Like I said, don't get me wrong, Duncan is one of the best in the NBA and all time. But IMO he is not top 5 this season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 27 2007, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just gave a reason, I am not to say Duncan shouldn't be in the top 5, I am not going to lie and say He doesn't belong there. Because the fact is, he should be there. But other people see it as what the players have done this season. Nash is leading his Suns to the best record in the NBA, Dirk is doing the same. James is leading the Cavaliers to being one of the best in the East, same with Gilbert. Melo and A.I are going to be sick together.Hell, if your going to talk about Duncan not being in the top 5, then what about KG? He is amazing, should he be there too? IMO, No, his team is down there low, and he is not really making a impact.Like I said, don't get me wrong, Duncan is one of the best in the NBA and all time. But IMO he is not top 5 this season.</div>Why, you didn't say what those players are doing that sets them apart from Duncan or what puts them ahead of Duncan. Duncan is leading the Spurs to the best record in the NBA also. Give an actual reason that can be said about those players to put them ahead of Duncan that can't be said about Duncan. I can give one thing Duncan does that not one player you listed does well. Plays defense.
Duncan has never really gotten the respect he's deserved EVER. I mean, he's not really flashy, and doesn't have the greatest media personality, which makes him kind of sit back in the spot light.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 27 2007, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tim Duncan was not even in half of BBW's 'Top 5' lists. I don't give a damn how flashy and talented LeBron James and Allen Iverson are, this guy is one of the leagues greatest defensive post players, very consistant and efficient offensive player. The sh*t he does goes beyond statistics, few people have his presense and almost nobody is as fundamentally sound. Tim Duncan is not 'slipping' like people keep saying. He gets so little respect around here that it makes me f*cking puke.</div>I agree...Tim Duncan is not my favorite player but you gotta give the guy some props. He is a two time MVP and a definite superstar. Duncan is probably the best PF in the league and just because he isnt flashy people dont give him any respect. I had him in my top five and everyone should.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 27 2007, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just gave a reason, I am not to say Duncan shouldn't be in the top 5, I am not going to lie and say He doesn't belong there. Because the fact is, he should be there. But other people see it as what the players have done this season. Nash is leading his Suns to the best record in the NBA, Dirk is doing the same. James is leading the Cavaliers to being one of the best in the East, same with Gilbert. Melo and A.I are going to be sick together.Hell, if your going to talk about Duncan not being in the top 5, then what about KG? He is amazing, should he be there too? IMO, No, his team is down there low, and he is not really making a impact.Like I said, don't get me wrong, Duncan is one of the best in the NBA and all time. But IMO he is not top 5 this season.</div> Gilbert Arenas and LeBron leading their teams to the best in the east? They are there by default because the east is a complete joke. The Spurs are 17 games over .500 in a amazingly deep west and the Wizards are 8 games over .500 in a pathetic east...I don't give a damn if the Wizards and Cavs are at the top...with that division you throw that out the window...What does Melo and AI being 'sick together' have to do with anything.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 27 2007, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gilbert Arenas and LeBron leading their teams to the best in the east? They are there by default because the east is a complete joke. The Spurs are 17 games over .500 in a amazingly deep west and the Wizards are 8 games over .500 in a pathetic east...I don't give a damn if the Wizards and Cavs are at the top...with that division you throw that out the window...What does Melo and AI being 'sick together' have to do with anything.</div>True, the East is pretty pathetic this season. But just because the East is kinda down, you take it away from the team from being number one? That doesn't sound fair. Soon enough the East is going to get harder, your going to need to bring your A game up. Well, thats just what I think is going to happen, but we are half way threw the season. Spurs are a great team, Duncan is the main reason why but there are also so many good players around Duncan. You got Parker who people say is the best Driver in the NBA, u got Manu who can give u 16-18 a night. Duncan has some good players around him to make himself look good also. Then you go by LeBron, Who has a less then 100% Larry Hughes, he has a Coach that knows jack sh*t, and he has a PG that can't score over 2 PPG. Now Gilbert doesn't have the best team, but he is working with it. Butler is having a outstanding season this far and that looks to be the only help he is getting. When I meant Iverson and Melo are sick together, I pretty much meant there both doing there thing and are playing some good basketball. But your pretty much going at me, when I NEVER Disagreed with you. I didn't agree, but I for sure as hell didn't disagree. I do agree on him not getting as much respect as he should, but I really think some other players have done more this season, then Mr.Duncan himself.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>True, the East is pretty pathetic this season. But just because the East is kinda down, you take it away from the team from being number one? That doesn't sound fair.</div> Sorry but thats the way it is. The Wizards don't get any respect from me, they are just an average overall team in a lousy conference.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Jan 27 2007, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry but thats the way it is. The Wizards don't get any respect from me, they are just an average overall team in a lousy conference.</div>Have you not seen Gilbert putting up some crazy Numbers all season long? He is putting his team on his back with Lil help, and taking them to were they need to be in the East.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cavsrules @ Jan 27 2007, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Have you not seen Gilbert putting up some crazy Numbers all season long? He is putting his team on his back with Lil help, and taking them to were they need to be in the East.</div> I watched Arenas can a f*cking three at the buzzer to put the Bucks away, I know how good he is. They are not that good of a team. Period. They are just a little bit better than most of the east and have escaped the injury bug so far. Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler have been very solid this year...This team is only 8 games over .500. Not that impressive for a 'conference leader'...Have the Wizards been better this season that in previous? Yes, but I'm not going crazy over it and making it a big deal like some people are.
