Hey, Trump voters! Insult free, attempt-at-dialog thread

I did not.

We know Mags did though....

 

Yes.

 

Out of spite.

 

Honestly, no. Why would it be?

If you like, I'll answer it for Clinton (in the alternative universe where she won the electoral college/the presidency was done by popular vote) - would that help?

Mainly I would be looking to see if she was cozy with Wall Street. I know Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone is pretty scathing about the Clintons and the banks and I'd keep an eye on whether she pushed for real reform. But also I'd want her not to give up on gun control (like Obama did) and make real efforts on global warming. I was disappointed in Tim Kaine as VP (although he seems like a good sort) and would want to see Elizabeth Warren in a prominent position.

 

So you don't want a dialog? Why not?

 

"Yes nobody voted Trump" or "Yes, I voted Trump"?
If the latter, feel like answering my question? Or if you like, tell me why you think it's insulting.

 

I really don't care. What's a dialog going to do? Just accept it and deal with it as shit goes down.

 

You incorrectly assume that Steve Bannon, Jeff Sessions or settling the Trump University case really bothers any Trump voters.

 

I'm tired of fighting. I'm tired of looking at politics as like sports - my team won so suck it! I care about what's happening and I want to understand why people voted for somebody who was such a (struggles to be diplomatic) surprising candidate. I have a bunch of theories, of course, but I actually want to hear it from real people who really voted for him.

When you say "I don't care" - do you mean "I don't care to explain myself to you" or "I don't really care about politics, I don't see my vote as that important"?

 

Okay, good, that's a start (although don't try to speak for all Trump voters, just speak for yourself).

Let's take Jeff Sessions. Jeff Sessions actually failed confirmation as a judge when Reagan appointed him - failed in a Republican controlled senate - because of testimony that he was openly racist. So when you say he doesn't bother you, is that because you would call yourself racist or is it because you think racism is overblown, or because you think he's changed, or because you've looked into this case and you think it's been misreported or what?

Or, if you don't want to talk about that, maybe you'd be disappointed if Trump reached out to the moderate Republicans. What do you think of the possibility of Mitt Romney as Sec. of State?

 

Okay, so I'm not talking to you. I want to hear from Trump voters.

 

Everyone is racist. Its just how it is. I don't really know much about him and people cry racism so much nowadays, its kind of a boy who cried wolf scenario, kind of like "rape culture".

I think Romney is a smart guy with a better grasp on global affairs than our current President.

 

I can't stand Trump. And I didn't vote for him (nor did I vote Clinton). But I don't think that the majority of people voted for Trump share his viewpoints about gays, minorities, etc., that the (clearly, very biased) mass media would have you believe that Trump feels. He has said he has no problems with gays, he has a black woman running his charities (insert token, "But he has black friends" comment here), etc. I don't think Trump is a bad person. I would like to think Trump isn't a bad person, and his words of hatred or intolerance are not a true representation of him. I have been guilty of racism, sexism, etc. Intended or not intended. I can honestly admit that. Even if it's meant to be humorous, it still is what it is. I'll be the first thing to admit that I've said terrible things, things that I'd be embarrassed or ashamed if the general public heard them. Sometimes we say things in private that are not representative of who we are. Sometimes in the context of humor, sometimes out of frustration, sometimes out of...? It doesn't make it right, but in general, those things are not representative of the way I otherwise carry myself and live my life. I see people spewing all sort of terrible shit about Trump and his supporters on FB. Well, guess what? They're no better than he is, or his supporters. Most of my FB friends are people I've grown up with, and I've heard a helluva lot worse come out of their mouths over my lifetime than anything Trump has ever said. So, I can see how some supporters can brush that aside and say that's not who he is. All of that said..... I guess I'm just saying that I think people believe we'll see who Trump is through his ultimate actions, not necessarily through his words. And I think a lot of people clearly were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not as bad as some of his words would indicate.

If you're willing to overlook that.... then, well, I can see why you'd choose Trump. A lot of people do not like the current economical direction of the country, so they felt the need to see if Trump can shake it up. Very risky, in my opinion. But... if you think things are bad, why stay the current path and vote Hillary? She's been involved in creating the current environment for 30 years. For the people upset that Trump wasn't paying his share of taxes.... well, that's smart business maneuvering. BUT Hillary has been a part of the system that has created the environment that allowed people like Trump to avoid taxes. I can look at the social progress we've made in recent years, and feel comfort in that. I'm sure others do, as well, so maybe the hope of economical growth and improvement was the bigger priority for some people.

It's easy to look at Trump, consider the stupid shit he has said, and say that with support of hate-mongering groups, that Trump clearly is full of hate. Honestly, let's consider this: we have a black president today. We had a woman running against Trump. Most hate groups in the US are white males. So, it didn't matter who was put up by the Republican party, if it was a white male, he was going to get a lot of support from hate groups. I don't completely blame Trump for that (though he could have done more to shut them up, or not have opened his mouth, which encouraged them).

I dunno.... I'm still grasping how/why people would have voted Trump. But then I just look at the other option, and I feel like I was staring at two heaping piles of poop. How do you choose? I wanted Bernie. With Trump as President-elect, I'm putting my faith into believing that Trump will focus on improving the economy and things of that nature, and let the social growth continue as it has before he was elected. I am hoping that his actions speak far more than the words he spoke in the months leading up to election day.

 

Trump is a businessman, and as most businessmen do, they hire people smarter than them to do all the work for them.

 

He just hired his own kids pretty much....

 

Do you think that the President should always be a businessman? Do you think that skill in business translates? Should we try to get the best businessman, for example? Would you have voted for Steve Jobs, say? I know if I thought that way I'd be very curious about his taxes. For example Warren Buffet was kind of scathing about him and had no qualms about revealing his taxes. Also I think I'd care about the whole Trump University thing. So given that you don't, I'm assuming that him being a businessman isn't his main draw for you -is that right?

 

Yes I voted for Trump. I would assume that as a given for answering your orginal questions to Trump supporters.

Copy and past from page one.

So, I'm finding that being on the internet is actually make me anxious these days. So let's attempt to be civil and take each other seriously. (Seriously!)

I'll start with a question: my fear (and a lot of Trump critics' fear) is that the people who voted for Trump really did so out of enthusiasm for a demagogue, and are genuinely happy at the discomfort he causes all and sundry, particularly the "PC crowd" who "call everyone a racist". If this is so, that will mean that he in turn is right when he says that he could shoot someone dead on the street and his supporters wouldn't care (see video below for exact wording). So, Trump voters of this forum, here is my question to you:
is there anything either that he has already done (like Steve Bannon, Jeff Sessions, settling the Trump University case for $25 mil, whatever) that has turned you off him even a little/given you pause for thought?

>>> No.

If not, is there anything that he COULD do/fail to do that would piss you off?

>>>Yes.

Or are you a Trump fan above being a Republican/loyal American/whatever?

>>> No

Please respond in all seriousness

>>> I cross my heart.


- I promise I will not be snarky (in this thread, at least).

>>> What ever pleases you.


I am genuinely curious.

>>>> Pleased to serve.