Re: Bob "Foothills" Kurland http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6415364 (On the bottom)Who do you think are the best five players who never played in the NBA for one reason or another? Thanks and keep up the good work! ? Rey, PhilippinesThanks for your encouragement!The absolutely best player who never played in the NBA has to be Bob "Foothills" Kurland, a shot-blocking 7-footer who anchored back-to-back NCAA championships in 1945 and 1946 for Oklahoma A&M (now Oklahoma State). Besides being a defensive ace, Kurland was also a big-time scorer. He led the county with 19.5 points per game in his senior year, and when coach Hank Iba took off the wraps in his last home game, Kurland scored 58. Also, in their various confrontations in charity games, Kurland routinely outplayed George Mikan.Instead of opting to play in the BAA (which was the forerunner of the NBA), Kurland had a glorious career with the Phillips Oilers in the highly competitive industrial/AAU leagues.The second best was Sherman White. In the late 40s at LIU, White was simply the finest hooper in the game. He was 6-8 but could handle and run like a guard. Indeed, White was the progenitor of all the high-flyers that succeeded him: Julius Erving, Connie Hawkins, Michael Jordan, as well as the current batch.Unfortunately, White was involved with gamblers during his college career and was banned from the NBA. Still, in the early- and mid-50s, many NBA players who were in town to play the Knicks would journey out to White's home town of South Orange, NJ, just to scrimmage with the master. Floyd Layne was an extremely talented guard for the CCNY double-championship team in 1950, who was also denied the opportunity to play in the NBA.Johnny O'Brien was a high-scoring 5-9 pivotman from Seattle U. who couldn't make the transition.And then there was Len Bias. Tony, do you know anything about Bob "Foothills" Kurland? I figured you might know considering you know a lot about the history of basketball.
Re: Bob "Foothills" Kurland Ah, I remember reading a bit about Kurland. It's been said that he outplayed George Mikan in all 3 of the meetings they had against each other. I always wondered how well he would fare in the NBA.
Re: Bob "Foothills" Kurland Fuzzy Vandivier is another guy who should be considered for that list, though he was pre-nba so doesn't really count
Re: Bob "Foothills" Kurland <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 1 2007, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6415364 (On the bottom)Who do you think are the best five players who never played in the NBA for one reason or another? Thanks and keep up the good work! ? Rey, PhilippinesThanks for your encouragement!The absolutely best player who never played in the NBA has to be Bob "Foothills" Kurland, a shot-blocking 7-footer who anchored back-to-back NCAA championships in 1945 and 1946 for Oklahoma A&M (now Oklahoma State). Besides being a defensive ace, Kurland was also a big-time scorer. He led the county with 19.5 points per game in his senior year, and when coach Hank Iba took off the wraps in his last home game, Kurland scored 58. Also, in their various confrontations in charity games, Kurland routinely outplayed George Mikan.Instead of opting to play in the BAA (which was the forerunner of the NBA), Kurland had a glorious career with the Phillips Oilers in the highly competitive industrial/AAU leagues.The second best was Sherman White. In the late 40s at LIU, White was simply the finest hooper in the game. He was 6-8 but could handle and run like a guard. Indeed, White was the progenitor of all the high-flyers that succeeded him: Julius Erving, Connie Hawkins, Michael Jordan, as well as the current batch.Unfortunately, White was involved with gamblers during his college career and was banned from the NBA. Still, in the early- and mid-50s, many NBA players who were in town to play the Knicks would journey out to White's home town of South Orange, NJ, just to scrimmage with the master. Floyd Layne was an extremely talented guard for the CCNY double-championship team in 1950, who was also denied the opportunity to play in the NBA.Johnny O'Brien was a high-scoring 5-9 pivotman from Seattle U. who couldn't make the transition.And then there was Len Bias. Tony, do you know anything about Bob "Foothills" Kurland? I figured you might know considering you know a lot about the history of basketball.</div> :shifty2: Len Bias I saw footage on him and he was great. He could had been as good as MJ maybe. He was versatile and good all-around game.
Re: Bob "Foothills" Kurland <span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%">What about Earl "The Goat" Manigault?</span>Earl "The Goat" Manigaultbasketball playerPersonal InformationBorn 1943 in New York, NY; never married; seven children.Education: Attended Johnson C. Smith University, c. 1965.CareerBenjamin Franklin High School, basketball player, 1962~63; Laurinburg Institute, North Carolina, basketball player, 1963~64; Johnson C. Smith University, basketball player for less than one year; Rucker Tournament, participant, Harlem, New York, NY, c. mid-1960s; Goat Tournament basketball competition, founder, New York, NY, 1977; Supportive Children's Advocacy Network, New York, NY, coach and counselor, 1990s; helped organized a basketball league in Harlem, 1991.Life's WorkCalled "the king of his own generation of ballplayers, [and] the idol for the generation that followed" by Pete Axthelm in The City Game, Earl Manigault never realized his incredible potential as a basketball player because he succumbed to the lure of drugs in the Harlem neighborhood of his youth. He brought the fans to their feet in legendary one-and-one competitions in New York City playgrounds against future professional stars such as Connie Hawkins and Lew Alcindor (later known as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar). In the New York Times, Abdul-Jabbar referred to Manigault as "the best basketball player his size in the history of New York City," and many other professional players who have witnessed Manigault in action have also sung his praises. "I let thousands of people down," Manigault admitted to the New York Times. "But I'm nothing phony. And there was a time when I gave the people what they wanted."Manigault was a frequent participant in Harlem's Rucker Tournament, which often drew top-level players. His jumping ability, in particular, struck awe in onlookers, and he could pick a quarter off the top of the backboard even though he was only a little over six feet tall. Some claimed to have seen him dunk a ball through the hoop, catch it with the other hand, then dunk it again before touching ground again. One time he dunked a ball backwards 36 times in a row to win a $60 bet. "His ability to play like a man who was 6'9" was incredible," noted Rucker Tournament organizer Gene Williams, in the New York Times. "He was a phenomenal player. And he's still a legend to the kids today."According to New York Times reporter Ian O'Connor, Manigault's nickname stems from a junior high school teacher who continually mispronounced his name as "Mani-Goat." By his early teens Manigault was typically outplaying older and much taller opponents on the basketball court. As Pete Axthelm described him in The City Game, "He was a six-foot-two-inch forward who could outleap men eight inches taller, and his moves had a boldness and fluidity that transfixed opponents and spectators alike." His heroics were cut short in his senior year at Benjamin Franklin High School after he was expelled for allegedly smoking marijuana in the locker room, a charge he denied. From there he took his skills to Laurinburg Institute, a prep school in North Carolina, where he was tops on the basketball court but barely got his high school degree after placing second-to-last in his class academically.Continuing to build his reputation as a slam dunker and shot blocker on Harlem's playgrounds, Manigault was deluged with visits by college recruiters after graduating from prep school. Lack of confidence in his own academic skills caused him to forego offers by major colleges. Instead he enrolled in John C. Smith University, a largely black school in Charlotte. Problems beset Manigault early at the college level, and poor performance in the classroom combined with a lack of willingness to adapt his freewheeling game to a structured game resulted in him leaving college after less than one year.Returning to New York City after his aborted college career, Manigault abandoned any interest in returning to college and soon became addicted to heroin. "That's when I went right to the bottom," he told the New York Times about his getting involved with drugs. "I started messing with the 'white lady' [heroin]." Before long Manigault's addiction was costing him more than $100 a day, even though drug dealers often gave him drugs for free because of his local fame. Unable to keep a job for any duration, Manigault resorted to theivery to support his habit, including stealing mink coats in New York City's garment district. Meanwhile, his skill on the basketball court withered rapidly. In the 1965 Rucker Tournament, he lost his balance while playing and fell down twice.By 1968 Manigault was so heavily immersed in the drug scene that he no longer frequented the parks where he had built his fame. Although he began working with a local drug rehabilitation program in the summer of that year, he still could not shake his habit. In 1969, he was arrested for drug possession and served 16 months of a five-year sentence in Stormville, New York's Green Haven Prison. The following year, at the age of 25, he was granted a tryout with the Utah Stars in the American Basketball Association by team owner Bill Daniels, but his drug habit had robbed him of his former skills, and he did not make the team.For a time during the 1970s Manigault claimed to be clean of drugs. In 1977, he started a youth basketball competition called the Goat Tournament to be played at 98th Street and Amsterdam Avenue in Harlem. Initial financing for the tournament was secured from local drug lords who had previously supplied him with heroin. Just as the tournament was about to begin, Manigault and accomplices were arrested in the Bronx for the attempted robbery of $6,000,000, sending him to prison for another two years in the Bronx House of Detention and the state prison in Ossining, New York.Upon release from his second prison term, Manigault fled New York City with two of his sons and moved to Charleston, South Carolina. "I didn't want my sons to be greater junkies than I was," he told the New York Times. Once settled, he managed to make a living by painting houses, mowing lawns, and working for the local recreation department. By the late 1980s, however, he was almost destitute and suffering from serious heart problems. In February of 1987, he had to have two heart operations. His stamina for the pick-up basketball games he often played was severely depleted.In 1991 Manigault's enduring fame was reaffirmed when he received $10,000 for the rights to his story from screenwriter Alan Sawyer, whose Angel of Harlem explored the basketball legend's rise and fall. Five years later he was the subject of an HBO film called Rebound that was directed by ER star Eriq La Salle. "Chills ran through me," Manigault told New York magazine after seeing the film's premiere in November of 1996. "Why did I put myself out there like that? It's there for the younger generation to witness, so they won't have to go through it." If a lesson is to be learned from his life, Manigault stated it himself in the New York Times: "For every Michael Jordan [professional basketball star], there's an Earl Manigault. We all can't make it. Somebody has to fall. I was the one."Currently, Manigault works for New York City's Supportive Children's Advocacy Network, as a counselor and coach of local children at East Harlem's La Guardia Memorial House. After 13 years as a heroin addict, he claims to be off drugs for good today. The playground where he used to wow the crowds is still called Goat Park by local residents, and his fame in the old neighborhood has never waned. As Alex Williams remarked in New York, "Kids too young to know NBA all-stars of the 1970s still mythologize this amateur from East 106th Street."Earl the Goat Link
Re: Bob "Foothills" Kurland watch the movie "rebound". It's about earl the goat and is very well done
Re: Bob "Foothills" Kurland <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tHe_pEsTiLeNcE @ Feb 5 2007, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>watch the movie "rebound". It's about earl the goat and is very well done</div>I have watched that movie. It was pretty good. It could be redone with the newer technology for movies now, but it was pretty good.
