Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Nets

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Cippy91, Jul 7, 2016.

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Should we match Brooklyn's offer sheet for Allen Crabbe?

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  1. Sinobas

    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

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    Nice to see another sane person on this board, our numbers are few. You're totally right on all points.

    These contracts run through the end of the decade. 117 mil commited in 19-20 to only 6 players. And only 3 of those are any good.

    We're also about 20 million into the luxury tax next season. And by the way things look now, resigning guys like layman, napier, plumlee, vonlehy, davis, will all be luxury tax.

    I made a post earlier, asking if Neil's seat was warming up, and the forum acted like it was a ridiculous question, but we'll see.

    Pretty much our only hope for getting out of this mess is to package CJ with someone like Turner in exchange for cousins.
     
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    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

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    You forget the off-season factor. Teams in every pro sport end up over paying for a guy and end up with buyers remorse. It's like getting caught up in the moment at an auction and coming home and realize you over paid for a piece of crap. I would be very surprised if the Nets still want him.
     
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    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

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    Let's just resign everyone for 20 million dollars, because we're going to be out of cap space anyway. I'm sure that will not harm our franchise.
     
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    Crabbe sucks. Never should've matched that ridiculous contract.
     
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    Would we really be worse? could we even be? maybe a slight downtick on offense/3p% but we are the last placed defensive team so there isnt any room farther south to go. You cant argue asset acquisition with his contract then say we were screwed either way there were other options. There are always other options.

    I dont even think BRK is desperate enough to take that contract AFTER a trade. Its a fucking crazy offer sheet he signed.

    I hate the rationale that because he has the measurables(he's tall and long) that he is a good defender. He is not. At least, not right now. He's taking a ton of lazy fouls and letting his man beat him of the dribble regularly. That's the part of his game I have been most frustrated with, shooting numbers will normalize for him I get that. But his defense is on par with our other two offensive minded guards, that is to say nonexistent. Defense is 80% effort and I think the big contract he signed is making him think he's dame and cj's level so he doesnt need to play d.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    As I was saying ...
     
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    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    The NBA needs ungaurunteed contracts the way the NFL does.
     
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    That would benefit the fan's interests, but we're not represented at the table when the CBA is being discussed. Might as well petition the sun to rise in the West.

    btw, here's your original take prior to Portland matching...

    this is the bed you advocated management making...

    STOMP
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    That was cold. But real.
     
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    Flip flopper lol
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Paul Allen pays Olshey to make these decisions. Olshey gives his own picks many years to become adequate because they reflect upon his draft reputation.
     
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    I guess I get to be the ray of sunshine.

    We were talked about as "bringing everyone back" and "continuity" and "building on 2nd round" and all that, but I think you're overlooking couple of things...
    1) Being in a monthlong shooting slump is not optimal, but does anyone think Crabbe forgot how to shoot 3s? He was paid as a premium, young, 3-and-D guy. Crabbe is still one of the better defenders on the team--especially in a backcourt with CJ and Dame, and he's just entering what should be his prime. Do you really think a slump is the first step in age-or o injury-related regression? Or that the "league has figured him out"?

    It's awfully #hottake to take a slump during the first month of a team coming together as confirmation bias and assign blame. Sure, I'd love to see him shooting 45% from 3 while anchoring a lockdown defense.

    2) I want to bring up Turner's impact on what used to be Crabbe's role, but I haven't watched/re-watched enough to see how the situations are different (or not).

    As for his contract--a) we weren't bidding against ourselves (as it seems was the case with Turner), b) as stated, let's figure out how much interest there is on Dec 15 before calling him "untradeable" and c) it seems that, of all the contracts tossed around this offseason, Crabbe's is probably the average in reasonable (Dame and CJ no-brainers, Ezeli and Leonard questionable?)

    I have little doubt that, if the sucktitude continues, more than just Crabbe will be on the block. And that no one on this team (even Turner) is untradeable.
     
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    I say have the salary cap count towards gaurunteed money, while raising the total amount players can make.
     
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    I don't know that he sucks but he certainly is not living up to the money he is getting paid. What really sucks is that Crabbe/Turner are getting over $140 million and neither is good enough to be a starter.
     
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    Tim Quarterman. Would there be much of a drop off if he replaced Crabbe? .
    Would certainly bring better focus and defense. . .

    (along with value and less ridiculous hair)
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    Inevitably they would pay us back for that G Wallace trade at some point.
     
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    I think we could've let Crabbe go for nothing and would not be seeing any noticeable impact on the court whatsoever. Other than his streaky outside shooting, he brings literally nothing to the table and he arguably makes us worse defensively. Furthermore, Layman and Quarterman could very well be replacing his production this year for less than 1/10 the cost.
     
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    Even if Crabbe were shooting 45% from 3, that would only come out to 1 more point per game on average. So the production just isn't there for a guy making 18 mil.

    Of coruse, the his mediocre shooting has been frustrating in the face of this big contract, and the fact that most of his looks are wide open.

    This guy is earning more than Paul Geroge and Kawhi Leonard.
     
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    That's really too bad. Last year he was solid on defense. Terry Stotts effect coupled with big money has him focused on his offensive game and neglecting the D. If he ever wants to live up to the contract he needs to focus on becoming a two way player stat.
     
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    And Lillard got a bigger contract than everyone except Mike Conley in NBA history.
    I'm sure that if Olshey could've paid Crabbe money to George or Leonard he would. He couldn't. It fit a need (3-and-D wing), it kept an asset, it paid (literally) market value to keep a player entering his prime. Again, if he's not shooting lights-out from 3 and playing awesome D, he's probably overpaid even with respect to this FA class. Since our D is garbage right now, and he's not shooting 45%, it's easy to trash. And as I said before, if you didn't like the deal (and saying that, even if he was hitting 45% from 3, you'd still think his production wasn't there, means you probably NEVER will like it), it's easy to use a below-average month for confirmation bias. If you thought it was a reach, but on par for market value, then you probably aren't sweating a slump. Are you suggesting that, to "increase his production" to make it more commensurate with his contract status, we should take shots away from CJ and Dame? Or that he's the linchpin of suckness on D?
    Most people thought Batum was overpaid. He warmed up to the deal, played better as he hit his prime, and was moved for assets.
     
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