City dwelling vs Country living

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  1. BLAZINGGIANTS

    BLAZINGGIANTS Well-Known Member

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    You know I hang out with my wang out.
     
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    No, that is not what I said. What I said was that it is natural for the top administrator of a large district to be paid more than one for a small district. Just as it is normal that the CEO of IBM gets paid more than the CEO of Ye Olde Bandon Antique Store.

    But at the same time, that administrator's salary is spread over way more students, so the larger district is more efficient than yours (financially - not necessarily educationally).

    Not clear what you mean by that.

    Like I said, voters for Measure 5 thought this up. Bet you were one of them. I was not.

    Kind of an impressive denial of facts. Not that I'd expect anything less from a Trump voter.

    Let's start with, none of your property taxes go to Salem. None. That's just not the way property taxes work.

    Secondly, you pay way less in property tax than most of the rest of the state, and you depend upon handouts from both the state and federal governments to balance your budget. The idea that you are 'sending money to Salem' and not taking even more money back is utter nonsense. The only way you could be more of a tax deadbeat is to move south to Curry County.

    You don't pay for your schools entirely out of property tax (much less send extra to anyone else!). You rely on the state to fund schools from income taxes. Paid by those of us who have incomes. That system (which goes back to Measure 5) is why Oregon has such shitty schools.

    Face it, you are a taker. On a grand scale.

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    ^lotta untrue "facts" in there.

    Or at least very over-generalized.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Point them out specifically.

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    Curry County is one county that is probably more subsidized than most, but there are plenty of smaller counties that are subsidized far less than others in the Portland Metro.

    Curry and Douglas are two of the most heavily supported.
     
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    Coos is another one.

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    Yamhill was one of the most fiscally responsible counties in the state. I consider it rural.

    Polk, Curry, Douglas, Josephine and 2-3 others in the SW part of OR are more subsidized.
     
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    Multnomah is subsidized and still struggles to make ends meet.

    But yeah... Keep drinking the lead in the water.
     
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    Yes, I was speaking specifically of MarAzul's county, Coos. County Motto: "Land O' The Takers".

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    Multnomah is not subsidized, but yes, it has all kinds of financial problems due to various things, including bad decision-making.

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    Is Multnomah county subsidized?
     
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    I would be interested in seeing the data on that, if there is any.

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    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Me too. I find it hard to believe that the county with the most potential employees, would not have enough cash flow, considering the property taxes in Portland are among the highest in the state (iirc, Clackamas and Washington averages higher).

    I know property taxes aren't the only tax, but there are plenty of ways that Multnomah County takes in $$ from it's citizens.
     
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    Every county is, depending how you look at it. Some county receive more than others, per capita. Multnomah receives more money per capita than the state average, per a report or study done a few years back. I will see if I can dig it up. We did a report with it. Most of PDX Metro counties are the same way. It's not a knock on PDX. It's that way in most states. But some counties are far more fiscally-responsible/conservative than others. I'm happy to live in one that is.
     
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    BTW, kudos to Clackamas County for getting rid of Tootie and Ludlow.
     
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    Anything with a shortfall that continues to operate is subsidized, one way or another. The citizens always pay for it.

    This report is pretty good, though there are some holes.

    http://sos.oregon.gov/audits/Documents/2016-11.pdf
     
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    Not sure about that definition of subsidized. If I run up my credit card bill, the bank is not subsidizing me. It's loaning me money. It expects it to be repaid.

    If neighbor Bob lets me charge stuff on his credit card and doesn't expect repayment, then he's subsidizing me. Bob's awesome.

    It's useful. We can see, for example, that Coos County isn't that poor, but they don't like paying taxes and they get federal welfare in a major way.

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    Yes. You're right. Stupid, over-generalized statement. Not unlike your comment about Portland subsidizing for everyone else. Cuz that was just dishonest bull.

    This graphic gives a solid indication of the counties doing well. If you're on the positive of every graphic, your county is probably doing pretty well.
     
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    I think you forgot the graphic? Edit: Oh, I think you meant your previous link. Never mind.

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    I'm sorry if that offends you, but it's the truth. People in the Portland Metro pay more in taxes, and receive less in services, per capita. It's the same all over the country.

    For example, here's Indiana (happened to be the first thing listed in the google search). There are lots more like that.

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