i dont see why the penalty should be "worse". or better yet, i dont see why the penalty for a non hate crime should be less. regardless of your motivation murder is never ok (except in self defense or the defense of others, but that's not murder). I think you would have to hate someone to murder them unless you are a psychopath, then you wouldnt be doing it because they were black or christian either, you'd just be doing it because you're fucked in the head. how about if a gang member kills another gang member of a rival gang. it's clearly hate driven but gang members are not a protected class. this is why the term hate crime is fucking retarded to me.
Something, something those people deserved it... something, something Hispanic male saying Fuck Trump N***a (will personally never understand why they say that freely lol)... something, something republicans are racist and evil.
Interesting. Clicked through to the base report. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the vast majority of the incidents in their compilation came from reports to their website, and that media accounts were likely a small percentage. I also don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the vast majority of visitors to the SPLC website are not Trump supporters. Therefore, I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that the very nature of the method of data collection skews the results. I don't doubt or dispute that racists/nationalists have been emboldened by Trump's election. But it's also valid to point out that just because that chart was published by Forbes doesn't make it accurate scientific research.
I think they're being picky/choosey about what they consider "hate" crimes. There's also a big difference between hurling an insult and firebombing a republican party office.
how about a kid goes into a school shooting and he hates jews. he shoots 3 jews and 1 randon innocent bystander. he's standing trial. he has 3 counts of a hate murder and 1 count of murder. does he get say 20 years each for the hate murders and 10 years for the random? so now the parents of teh random feel like their kids life was worth less?
You are, however, going to take the time to read the report for yourself rather than just take my analysis at face value, right?
That they can't even confirm the veracity of all reports is telling, too. http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/18/election-hate-crimes-hoaxes-hyperbole Hate Crimes, Hoaxes, and Hyperbole A reality check for all sides Swastikas spray-painted on softball dugouts. Steve Bannon getting appointed to the White House. There's been lots of spooky stuff going down in America since Donald Trump was elected president. When I reported last Friday that there had been "no violent hate-crimewave" happening—emphasis on the word violent—it was to dispel widespread rumors of a post-election surge in physical attacks on gay, transgender, and non-white Americans by emboldened and bigoted Trump supporters. Thankfully, this still holds true. While the public expression of nativist, racist, sexist, or anti-LGBT sentiments may have experienced a post-election upswing, incidents of actual altercations or attacks have still been very rare. Several of the most prominent early reports of Trump-inspired violence against people of color were later admitted to be fabrications or directly contradicted by police statements. Pointing this out seems to really anger people, who assume my intent is discredit all such reports, or to deny that there's any bigotry among Trump supporters. Neither is true. Rather, I saw a lot of distortions being spread and a lot of people who were really scared. I heard from LGBT and Jewish and non-white friends of mine, in private communications and on social media, who honestly believed it was open season on them this week. And I didn't want to see people I care about fearing for their very lives and physical safety because of a massive amount of misinformation floating around. This isn't helped by groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which states that more than 400 hate crimes have been committed in America post-election. But the vast majority of the examples SPLC gives involve incidents like one elementary student telling another that he would be deported, or a white woman laughing at a black woman who overheard her saying racist things, or a man in a car yelling "fag" as he drove by a gay couple—things that may be intolerant, unkind, and legitimately scary for those targeted, but not what most people would conjure when they hear "hate crimes" or "hateful extremism." And pointing that out doesn't equate to condoning these acts, or dismissing the hurt and fear they inspire in people. It is simply an attempt to separate what is really happening in America right now from what is hyperbole, hysteria, or hoax.
Well hot damn , you just busted the narrative... How dare you! Don't you know we're all racists and just got back from committing another 10 hate crimes today?
