As for WADA tests, yes there have been reversals. But moreover there have been political deals to suppress the false positives. Ton of articles as well as peer reviewed scientific journal papers that reveal the issues with anti doping testing.
...alright, I'll rephrase it, can you name any notable player who's been falsely accused? ...said it over and over, Tote...just as with the current legal system, the current drug testing system may not be perfect but it beats not having one at all.
And it's a strawman question, whether intended or not. There can be no reversals because alternative tests either don't exist or are not admissable. Testing organization is police, judge and jury. Ron I understand that you want something to hold athletes to account. I agree with you. But I do not agree with inviting a flawed beuracracy like WADA or USADA into professional sports. I'd prefer pro sports go on their own with testing based on real science and not the sham we currently have. How can you believe in a system that is more politically motivated rather than caring about the integrity of sport or the health of athletes?
..."strawman"?...why, because you said so?...no, actually it's not...it's a very straightforward and simple question. You can either provide examples of a notable MLB player getting wrongly fingered for PEDs, or you can't...simple as that. ...you constantly have condemned the current testing system in lieu of technology that obviously is not quite ready for prime time yet. Do you seriously think that MLB would deny technology that might be better than the system they currently use?...of course not. ...and you keep bringing up WADA as if it's some sort of weapon in this discussion...we're talking about BASEBALL here, and the last time I checked, Baseball has their own system which is not governed by WADA. ...but you accuse me of being the one who's building a "strawman" argument?...please.
So you know MLB and other NA pro sports have adopted the testing protocols of USADA and thus WADA? Now they have only adopted a selection of the multitude of drugs to screen for but they are using WADA protocols and 'approved' testing labs. Therefore, as is already established in peer reviewed scientific journals that many of these protocols are arbitrary at best (hGH for example) and protocols and appeals do not permit alternative data for ones self defense, what we have is one mamma jamma sized straw man. Also please note that I didn't say you were doing so intentionally. I'm just trying to share with you scientific facts that you can use later. You make great arguments Ron based on good rational analysis. Use that what talking about drugs in sports too.
...the "protocols" may use a similar outline as WADA but they are not governed and/or regulated by WADA...big differencce. And those protocols are administered by MLB people alone and because MLB is and always has been self governing, they are not influenced by the perceived WADA "politics" and bias you alluded to. ...also, what you fail to remember, Tote, is that any science, no matter how advanced it may be, can be skewed/altered/corrupted, etc., depending on who is interpreting the findings and who is reporting them...again, as technology gradually advances itself it will probably never be full proof because of human error/influence. ...you're preaching to the choir to a degree, because yes, I agree that newer technology may EVENTUALLY provide better and even more accurate PED test results...and MLB will surely adopt that newer technology, but only AFTER that technology itself has been tested and then of course approved by BOTH MLB AND the MLBPA...but as of NOW, both of those parties are OK with the current system.
pass the salt, please.... Incredible document Tote, bet you can cite it in your sleep, by paragraph, verse, et al....
XIII. JOINT DRUG PREVENTION AND TREATMENT PROGRAM D. The penalties and prohibitions for Stimulant violations will be increased to 50 games for a second time violation; 100 games for a third time violation, and up to a permanent suspension for a fourth time violation. ______________________________________________________ imho, I'd rather see 1st time offenders get 50 games, 2nd time offenders 100, and 3, well.... 3 strikes and yer out. Wtf, these cheats, pussies, (scuz the language w/a lady on board) and these fkng cheats get 4 strikes, give me a fkng break 4, LIKE IN FOUR, fkng 4, ......... "playoffs, whose talking playoffs".... ah shit, I've launched prior to the "Go" command- ~!
XV. DOMESTIC VIOLENCE POLICY, ANTI-BULLYING, ANTI-HAZING, TRANSLATORS ah c'mon..... on 2nd thought, as vague as this has been written, it sure doesn't rule out Sparky Lyle's "Bronx Zoo-Hair-Ass-ment". For those who may not know: Lyle would leave his Ass cheek imprints on the icing of player's Birthday Cakes, (set out during the game; waiting for the team party after the game. Neither does it rule out, shitting on a player's cake, in retaliation, if such player engages in ass cheek musk locker room, flavored buttercream icing..... This does not rule out Toga Parties either, Toga, Toga, Toga......
V. REVENUE SHARING B. The number of market disqualified Clubs will be reduced from 15 to 13, with Oakland phased-out over four years beginning in 2017. http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/...s-of-new-baseball-cba-with-money-on-the-line/ WOW, I overlooked this much. Oakland is being phased out of Revenue Sharing; wth..? What, - did Billy Beane's refusal to spend more money, rather Fisher's $$$$ Billion's, turn into an interesting strong-arm, to put forth the bucks to ensure parks are going to be around for the next century. While offsetting cost's always to the Fans, via price hikes thru the roof's, if not increases in taxes. Price's will skyrocket; will the Fans get to see more than One game a year or even a game in 50 yrs, fkng period..... Personally, I like the old parks, but then they can have there problems. With Fisher, I see a problem, not sure Davis Jr. is in the same boat, as there's too much going on behind the scene's with the Raiders. Why the hell can't Fisher spend some of his supposed Forbes Billions....? The A's, Raider's have long failed to secure new Parks, not always due to their lack of willingness to spend some of their own money, (however with Fisher this is a true prob). The city, county, no one want's to pay for those stadiums, the city is in financial ruin, while across the bay and upon the upper hills of Oakland, the rich flourish, and those who love the game in larger social groups, can't afford to go to a game, especially with their family. Hell in L.A. only 20% of Angelino's who have claimed to be Bums fans, can't afford to pay for their local Bums TV channel: SNLA, (their new TWB-C Bums station), a premium channel costing 90$ a month for a 12 mos contract. One can get every single team via MLB Xtra Innings for only $50 more. TWB-C was bought out by the world's largest cable company ie Charter, , now Spectrum[1], a fortune to get into, after they've built new ones That would be in the great book, Sparky Lyle's auto-bio named "The Bronx Zoo", a quick read, hilarious at times too.
...Lil, Tom and I have been doing this for years...we agree most of the time but not always...just a little friendly banter back and forth. Even as fans of the same team we disagree from time to time...in other words, we're sometimes "opposite sides of the same coin." ...and in all the years we've either agreed or disagreed, neither of us has ever been injured or got our feelings hurt...we don't hold grudges...of course there's that damned restraining order thing hanging over my head...goddamn liberal California judges.
