Trading for a center

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Rastapopoulos, Dec 11, 2016.

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What center should we try to get (bearing in mind comparative cost)

  1. Brook Lopez

    26.7%
  2. Andrew Bogut

    6.7%
  3. Tyson Chandler

    6.7%
  4. Nikola Vucevic

    20.0%
  5. Bismack Biyombo

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  6. Boban Marjanovic

    2.2%
  7. Cole Aldrich

    4.4%
  8. Jonas Valanciunas

    11.1%
  9. Other (specify, along with realistic trade suggestion)

    22.2%
  1. Denny Crane

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    Leonard had a cap hold against us, no?

    If he walked, we would have recouped that cap space.
     
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    In fact, Leonard's cap hold was $7.7M, if my google search result is correct.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Good point. I forgot about that. His cap hold was $7,689,700. So, if we would have let Meyers walk and not signed Ezeli, we could have signed both Turner and Gordon (assuming the same salary he got from HOU) before matching Crabbe's offer put us iver the cap.

    So, it would have been possible, but we would have been severely overloaded at the guard/wing positions and undermanned with bigs.

    I realize Ezeli hasn't played, he was a calculated risk, and Meyers is Meyers, but that roster would have been even more ridiculously out of balance than the one we ended up with. We would have ended up committing $304 million to Turner, Gordon, Crabbe and C.J. That's a lot of money and a lot of redundancy.

    That would have also left us with only 3 players (Plumlee, Davis and Vonleh) on the roster taller than 6'9".

    BNM
     
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    I'm fine with signing Leonard and that we passed on Gordon. Hindsight is 20-20, and Gordon's been so injury prone. A really good player when healthy, for sure.
     
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    Keep an eye on this. Noel just fired his agent and is joining up with Dan Fegan.

    Fegan and Neil have some history as Neil was the first to offer Fegan's prized client Chandler Parsons a near max deal this summer. And Neil set Fegan's other clients Mike Miller and Varejao free after acquiring their contracts.

    Fegan also represents Boogie.

    And Nurkic.

    Dan owes Neil a massive favor.
     
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    He also represents Harkless and Ed Davis. This is good, if you want Noel in Portland, which you should, unless you dummmmb

    Wonder why Noel changed agents though. Is it because he's still in philly? Lol
     
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    In other words, let's not see another Arron Afflalo for Will Barton & Malik Beasley trade.
     
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    How about this

    Noel for Crabbe

    And then

    Meyers to Sacramento for McLemore. Both guys are pretty much in a similar spot in their careers and mclemore is a RFA after the season. We give him a look, see if he can replace Crabbe. Sacramento gets a young big who can space the court that'll make Divac think of Brad Miller or some shit.
     
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    Expert take: sixers game is on at the bar and Noel's body language looked so bad in the first half. I don't know if that's just how he is, but he looked like he would rather be anywhere else.
     
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    Sorry I'm not trading Crabbe for Noel, I don't care about his contract because the teams that want him will start him and it won't look like a big deal anymore. Philly can take a protected first or fuck offfff.
     
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    So uh, nerlens played 8 minutes, none in the second half. Maybe Olshey can get him for s protected SECOND loll.

     
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    I feel like Vonleh, Napier our 2018 1st Round Pick and CLEs 2018 would get accepted. Neil should be on the phone right now.

    And then in February we build a package around Noel, Harkless, and other 1sts for Cousins lol.
     
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    i don't think Philly would want Vonleh, nor would we need to include him if we're giving up two firsts. I do know we'll need to shed his salary though to take on Noel so maybe we can trade him to another team for a pick. Or just send Ezelis contract to Philly to make it work.

    Crabbe is worth more than Noel imo. We should hold onto him until the summer. But we have to pursue Noel, and we have to do it now. I couldn't think of a better fit for us defensively. The opportunity is there. Neil shouldn't wait.
     
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    I feel like they'd value Vonleh. Ilyasova is expiring and they'd probably develop Vonleh for the rest of the year and have him and Richaun Holmes battle to be their backup 4 next year. They need as much shooting around the Simmons/Embiid/Okafor core as possible, and Vonleh brings that. For Phili, they would say no to a 21 year old with an NBA body and athleticism.

    Plus, we do need to shed 2.9M to match salaries, so Vonleh and a minimum guy would work. I think if we trade Napier and Vonleh (4.2M total) for Noel (4.3M total) then wed still be under the luxery tax, and could experiment with 10-day contracts for D-League players. That would be good, especially since rosters expand to 17 players next year with 2 in the D-League.
     
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    I'm down. Would be interesting to see the rotation with Noel. Guessing Plumlee would play heavy minutes at PF, where he's probably a better fit anyway. Feel like two of Meyers/Davis/Ezeli would eventually get dealt in this scenario. Ideally Ezeli would get healthy because a Noel/Ezeli rotation at center would be the truth. Also, Aminu has a great contract, even as a backup and we could play matchups between him and Plumlee.

    Dame
    CJ
    Harkless
    Plumlee
    Noel

    CJ
    Crabbe
    Turner
    Aminu
    Ezeli

    Me love both those units.
     
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    Wow man. I like it to an extent for the main reason at the end of this explanation of slight change.

    PHI doesn't need Plumlee or another big. Offer Crabbe and a CLE 2018 pick for Noel. I think that can get it done especially if Crabbe can continue to get back to some consistency.
    Do the swap you suggest.. CJ for Wall.

    Then we go after DMC with a package of Leonard or Plumlee/Davis/Aminu... Toss in Ezeli as a $10mill salary dump to help their rebuild rather than taking on Gay.

    We look like this:

    Dame/Napier
    Wall/Turner
    Harkless/Turner
    DMC/Vonleh
    Noel/Plumlee or Leonard.

    DMC and Wall go way back. There is a high percentage that this team would gel nicely.
     
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    Nurkic played 7 minutes tonight.
     
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    Btw, the longer Noel is on the sixers, the more I believe there might already be a trade in place with Portland and they're just waiting on Jan 15. That or Colangelo is stupid, which could be a possibility as well.

    Evidently Brown had a conversation with Noel yesterday about his playing time. Maybe he told him to just chill out for a couple weeks lol
     
  20. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Not stupid, just silly:

    Colangelo has been jerking him around ever since that quote came out.

    BNM
     

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