With turner playing better. has anyone considered?

insert him into the starting line up for CJ. this would help the defense on the perimeter while still maintaining an elite level offense. CJ could then run the bench by himself rather than ISO with the starting line up.

thoughts? let's get this done stotts

 

No. C.J. is our most efficient 1st quarter scorer (.532 FG%, .522 3FG%). When he's hot, he keeps us in games. When he's not, we are usually down by 15 - 20 after the 1st period. Take him out of the starting line up and we'd ALWAYS be down by 15 - 20 after 1.

For comparison, Evan Turner shoots .346 FG% and .333 3FG% in the first quarter. Why would we want that? Don't we regularly dig ourselfs into double digit deficits early in games as it is?

BNM

 

What do they have to lose at this point? Starting CJ and Dame together isn't working defensively, so it's time to shake things up.

 

Not this shit again.

 

No.

 

On paper, I'd say no.

 

Dame and CJ/Curry and Ellis.

 

Crabbe is no better defensively than C.J. If you start Crabbe, Dame is your ONLY ball handler. That makes it to easy for other teams to shut down our offense by trapping Dame.

Turner addresses the ball handling issue, and is a better defender than Crabbe or C.J., but now you have an offense that relies on spacing and outside shooting with three guys who can't shoot (Plumlee, Davis/Aminu and Turner). Maurice Harkless is a borderline 3rd option. No way can we succeed with him as our second option on offense.

Dame/C.J. may not be perfect, but they are light years better than any of these other proposed combos.

Crabbe is way too one dimensional, can't create his own shot, or for others. He needs to be on the court with at least two other ball handlers to be effective.

Turner can't shoot, so he needs to be on the court with at least two other great shooters to be effective.

Let's face it, with the players we have, juggling our starting back court is equivalent to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

BNM

 

BGD/Mixum

BNM

 

Fuck it. Nothing else has worked.

 

No I don't ignore defense. I commented on both Crabbe's and Turner's defense. Just because my opinion doesn't agree with yours doesn't mean I'm only looking at half the game (it just means you're wrong).

I specifically watch Allen Crabbe playing "defense" and he flat out sucks. He's not quick enough to guard SGs and not big enough to guard SFs. He's a tweener.

BNM

 

Crabbe is the most overrated defender on our team. He fouls way to much, especially on jumpshooters.

 

because turner is better at defense and dame can get passes instead of watching CJ dribble. i love CJ but the duo is killing us on perimiter D. i think it would be better for CJ to give us 30 minutes off the bench where they could use his ability to score by himself while dame rests. then crabbe could be his 2 guard and both lineups would be a little larger and still have good offense. hopefully beef up the defense a bit.

 

Turner is an excellent passer, is a good defender and has excellent size for PG position.
Start Turner at point.
Trade Lillard for Anthony Davis. Then we actually have a two-way player at PG.
Less in-efficient shots from your PG position, better passing, much better defense. (Scoring picked up by The Brow)

 

At the rate AD is playing it would take Dame/Harkless/Aminu and Leonard.
OR Dame AND CJ.

 

It's not as if the lineup of Dame, Crabbe, and Turner doesn't get some run every single game. That's the standard rotation when CJ goes to the bench at about the 5:30 remaining point in the first quarter. I just don't see any evidence that that lineup is better defensively and it sure as heck isn't better offensively. Last night, with Dame and CJ starting, the Warriors built a 12-23, 11 point lead. When CJ and Vonleh went to the bench with 5:09 left in the quarter, Turner and Crabbe came in and played alongside Dame. The lead blew up to 17 at 19-36 with that lineup by the time CJ returned with 28 seconds left in the quarter. Yeah, that's just one quarter in one ugly game, but I'd sure love to see the stats on how those guys do over time when running with Dame vs. when CJ is in the game. My general impression is that Crabbe and Turner are mediocre defenders at best and that they are happy shooters, meaning that they score effectively when the game is going the Blazers way, and suck when it's not.

 

im just wondering when the last time we didnt give up 30 in the first was and if an undersized back court combine with shit defense is responsible?

 

Maybe true, but I wouldn't concede that just yet. They are both having productive offensive seasons, but they are having to work much harder now. Just about every night Dame & CJ are getting blitzed/trapped, in order to get the ball out of their hands. And why not? Mason Plumlee or Ed Davis facing up from 18' isn't scaring anyone. You can go on down the line, and this team just isn't that talented offensively when anyone not named Dame or CJ is trying to make plays. For the most part it's 2 guys having to create offense on way too many possessions because nobody else can (consistently) When they are forced to give the ball up, it's mostly a struggle to generate offense. Neither will ever be All Defensive team nominees, but I don't think they are horrible on ball defenders. It's the picks where they seem to get exploited the most, & this year is worse than ever. That could be at least partially due to the effort they're having to expend on the other side of the ball..