It is definately Kobe Bryant he is better at pretty much all aspects of the game then Wade although they are pretty close at scoring and assists. Kobe though is a much better jumpshooter and can hit the 3 more consistently than Wade can and that makes his game better since he is also very athletic and go to the basket whenever he wants too. Wade is a great player don't get me wrong but he just hasn't been in the league long enough to be better than Kobe. Kobe has more experience and in his prime right now in his basketball career. When Kobe is done playing he will be one of the 15 best players of all time. Wade has a lot of talent and unlimited potential and I could see him and Kobe being very closely ranked at the end of their careers, as of right now though Kobe is the easy choice.
Why would you even start a topic like this? Dwayne Wade is overrated, I don't care....half his points come from the foul line....KOBE BRYANT IS THE BEST PLAYER ON THIS PLANET!
Just because your favorite player is Kobe doesn't mean you have to be ragging on Dwyane Wade how the hell is he overrated please tell me that I know Kobe is better not arguing but how can you say that.
Remember that for every move Wade has, Kobe has about 40 that are better. Seriously, Dwyane Wade is Kenny G, Kobe is Charlie Parker: you do the math.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moses2121 @ Feb 7 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just because your favorite player is Kobe doesn't mean you have to be ragging on Dwyane Wade how the hell is he overrated please tell me that I know Kobe is better not arguing but how can you say that.</div>Notice how you didn't deny Wade getting to the foul line uncontrolably and his foul line visits. Wade is way overrated and pretty much the most untoachable player in the NBA. Just watching him play shows how corrupt the NBA is. Last night against Cleveland was one of the few nights where the refs didn't buy his flops but he definetly got his share of the calls. If Kobe got the calls Wade gets he would be avg. 40+ points per game.
Bro, wade gets to the line only 2 more times per game than Kobe. If Kobe got to the line as much as Wade, he'd be averaging maybe only 2 more PPG. Notice how NO ONE said ANYTHING about Wade and the calls he got the past 2 years when he got to the line over 10x per game as well? And BTW, when Kobe drives to rim he is looking to make shot and a lot of times avoid the foul. Wade is always looking to draw the foul and go up very strong. Wade has 60 more attempts than Kobe at the rim,d espite playing in less games. I'm sick and tired of people bi*ching about Wade's FTA, as AI averages over 10 per game and doesn't go as hard at basket, GA takes 50 less attempts at the basket (and has played in about 7 more games) yet is well over 9 FTA per game and everyone is on his di*k, etc... And I see you said without the foul calls he's getting that he wouldn't be half teh player. Right now he is the best playmaking swingman in the league with 8APG, a good reboudner with over 5RPG, shooting 49%, 82% from the line, over 2SPG and over 1BPG, and has always been a 25PPG or better scorer with FG % in upper 50's. So give me a fu*king break.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Feb 10 2007, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Notice how you didn't deny Wade getting to the foul line uncontrolably and his foul line visits. Wade is way overrated and pretty much the most untoachable player in the NBA. Just watching him play shows how corrupt the NBA is. Last night against Cleveland was one of the few nights where the refs didn't buy his flops but he definetly got his share of the calls. If Kobe got the calls Wade gets he would be avg. 40+ points per game.</div>He would not be getting 40+ a night. There isnt THAT much of a difference in free throw attempts per night, and Wade drives to the basket more. Wade gets alot of calls, but so does Kobe.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Feb 10 2007, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Notice how you didn't deny Wade getting to the foul line uncontrolably and his foul line visits. Wade is way overrated and pretty much the most untoachable player in the NBA. Just watching him play shows how corrupt the NBA is. Last night against Cleveland was one of the few nights where the refs didn't buy his flops but he definetly got his share of the calls. If Kobe got the calls Wade gets he would be avg. 40+ points per game.</div>Dude you don't know what you're talking about the free throw attempts are not that substantial and Kobe has never averaged over 40 ppg in a year and he never will even with the free throw attempts. Wade's game is based on driving to the basket and either taking it all the way or pulling up for a short j. Kobe drives to the basket too but not near as much as Wade does.
I think it's Bryant. To me, he's the best player in the NBA and he was last year too. Just because his teammates are inferior doesn't make him so. When he had a championship caliber team he was winning rings. Yes, he had a prime Shaquille O'Neal on his team, but they needed eachother just like Wade needs the big guy. Keep in mind also that Bryant had three NBA championships by the time he was 24 years old. Guys like Jordan, Bird and Johnson can't even say that. That's not easy. He's just in his prime now too. Regarding their games, I think Bryant has more offensive moves than any player the NBA has seen since Jordan's run ended with the Bulls. There's not a shot or move that he is incapable of doing. He's a consistently good jump shooter, his post game is superb and he's improved on his three point shot in recent years. Wade doesn't have a jumper that is as consistent, but DWade is the best player in the NBA right now in terms of drawing fouls by attacking the basket. In a few years Wade might be hitting 3's at a better clip than he's doing now, but I don't see how anybody could say he's a better shooter than Bryant at this point. I think as passers and rebounders they are about the same. Both are willing to do those things, although obviously that's not what they are known for. Defensively, I put Bryant ahead of Wade too. He's more physical, he has more size and he plays better positional defense on his man. Wade is excellent as a help defender. He's got the Jordan like quality of blocking shots from behind. However, I think he reaches too much going for steals and that hurts his man to man defense. I'd put James ahead of Wade too. If he had a teammate the caliber of O'Neal he'd have won a ring too. People overrate the individual battles. You need that second star to win a ring more often than not. Wade has that. Bryant and James don't have that now. That's the difference.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JC Malaka @ Feb 11 2007, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd put James ahead of Wade too. If he had a teammate the caliber of O'Neal he'd have won a ring too. People overrate the individual battles. You need that second star to win a ring more often than not. Wade has that</div>That second optiona veraged 14PPG in the Finals against a team that was much better to begin with. Could Bron averaged 40PPG through last 4 games and taken over 2 4th quarters in that span like Wade did? I have my doubts. And this year Wade is pulling ahead of Bron, having a better season than him.
You guys missed my point, I was exaggerating...there is a big difference between Kobe and Wade's FT attempts though. Kobe actually DESERVES his. Almost every time Wade will drive and fall on his own and will be at the freethrow line. Like Rasheed Wallace said last year, if you yell Boogedy boo to him you get called for a foul. Almost everytime Kobe goes in the paint he is hacked and not always given the call. Kobe WORKS for his foul shots. He does get bailed out sometimes but nowhere near the galaxy that Wade does. You guys might disagree with me but you probably have the same point of view as the Cavs' fans that were at the game today against the Lakers. Kobe gets to the rim and his wrist gets smacked and he misses the dunk and a foul is called and the crowd preceeds to boo like it was the worst call in the world and even Mike Brown got a technical but the replay clearly showed a foul. What I am trying to say is that Kobe doesn't get away with the stuff Wade does. I watched both games on ABC today and Kobe and Wade get entirely different calls among bias. The calls Wade gets boggle my mind. I am still pissed off about the Christmas game and Mavs' fans should be mad about the Finals last year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Feb 11 2007, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That second optiona veraged 14PPG in the Finals against a team that was much better to begin with. Could Bron averaged 40PPG through last 4 games and taken over 2 4th quarters in that span like Wade did? I have my doubts. And this year Wade is pulling ahead of Bron, having a better season than him.</div>I think Bron could have averaged that, yes. I know Shaq's not in his prime, but he still commands double teams a lot and if he's not doubled he at least gets attention. With the Cavs, James is always the number one option and is getting doubled 25 feet away from the basket. If you do that to Wade then that means somebody leaves O'Neal (when he's playing) and he'll kill you. James doesn't have a teammate the caliber of O'Neal. Because of that, it's not totally fair to compare them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Feb 11 2007, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys missed my point, I was exaggerating...there is a big difference between Kobe and Wade's FT attempts though. Kobe actually DESERVES his. Almost every time Wade will drive and fall on his own and will be at the freethrow line. Like Rasheed Wallace said last year, if you yell Boogedy boo to him you get called for a foul. Almost everytime Kobe goes in the paint he is hacked and not always given the call. Kobe WORKS for his foul shots. He does get bailed out sometimes but nowhere near the galaxy that Wade does. You guys might disagree with me but you probably have the same point of view as the Cavs' fans that were at the game today against the Lakers. Kobe gets to the rim and his wrist gets smacked and he misses the dunk and a foul is called and the crowd preceeds to boo like it was the worst call in the world and even Mike Brown got a technical but the replay clearly showed a foul. What I am trying to say is that Kobe doesn't get away with the stuff Wade does. I watched both games on ABC today and Kobe and Wade get entirely different calls among bias. The calls Wade gets boggle my mind. I am still pissed off about the Christmas game and Mavs' fans should be mad about the Finals last year.</div>See, but you're missing a few things: 1) Wade has taken 60 more shots at the basket this year despite playing in less games. 2) When Kobe drives, he tries to avoid the contact and make the shot. When wade drives he is looking to draw contact, and always sells the foul. Those are the 2 reasons that he takes 2 more FTA than Kobe, and also why AI takes over 10 a game (who doesn't go at rim as strongly as wade yet never gets questioned or hated on for it). Basically Wade drives way more than Kobe, and is looking for the foul each time where Kobe tries to avoid it. When you drive as much as wade does, and as hard to basket as he does, the refs are quicker to blow the whistle. Whether you consider this fair or not, it's true, as is when T-Mac gets fouls called taking jumpshots and whatnot.PS- Kobe got way more calls than wade did today, and none of the calls Wade got were bail out calls where Kobe got a few (particularly on fadeaway over double team). Kobe gets his calls, Wade gets his calls, AI gets his calls, T-Mac gets his calls, and Arenas gets his calls. What everyone should be furious about is how the refs absolutely screwed Amare tonight.
Lakersfan, for how much Wade goes to the basket, he deserves alot of calls. He puts his body on the line, and even though I think he gets a couple too many free throws a game, he goes to the hole alot more than Kobe does. Kobe settles from the outside sometimes, and Wade rarley does. Im not saying thats a bad thing for Kobe because he is an amazing shooter, but I am just saying that Wade goes to the hole more, and it is true. 2 free throw's a game difference isnt that much considering how much more Wade goes to the hole. Maybe Kobe should start talking the contact more and start selling the foul. If its working for Wade, Kobe can get it too.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JC Malaka @ Feb 11 2007, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think Bron could have averaged that, yes. I know Shaq's not in his prime, but he still commands double teams a lot and if he's not doubled he at least gets attention. With the Cavs, James is always the number one option and is getting doubled 25 feet away from the basket. If you do that to Wade then that means somebody leaves O'Neal (when he's playing) and he'll kill you. James doesn't have a teammate the caliber of O'Neal. Because of that, it's not totally fair to compare them.</div>I actually am inclined to agree with this. Give lebron the lanes wade had(remember he was still not established as an absolute elite player at the time and shaq was the focal point of the defense) and with his speed and strength I think he could have excelled just the same if not better. I actually think lebron is equally as good if not better at slashing to the basket. The man could possibly be the strongest man in the league pound for pound and he can jump higher than anyone in the league. Give lebron lanes and there is absolutely NO STOPPING the man child.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Delonte4Prez @ Feb 12 2007, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I actually am inclined to agree with this. Give lebron the lanes wade had(remember he was still not established as an absolute elite player at the time and shaq was the focal point of the defense) and with his speed and strength I think he could have excelled just the same if not better. I actually think lebron is equally as good if not better at slashing to the basket. The man could possibly be the strongest man in the league pound for pound and he can jump higher than anyone in the league. Give lebron lanes and there is absolutely NO STOPPING the man child.</div>So averaging 27/7/6 on 50% shooting in 05-06 means Wade isn't an elite player? Shaq was <u>NOT</u> the focal point of Miami's offense last year. Remember, Shaq missed over 20 games last year and was not right all year. He wasn't very effective in the Finals, and they rarely dumped the ball to him. Wade was doubled a lot in the Finals, but like he did to Cleveland 2 weeks back, he broke the double team and attacked the rim/spotted up from 15ft. The Cleveland game was almost exactly like the Finals in game 3 and 5, except Shaq was not in the 4th quarter against Cleveland.I don't think there is any question bron has as much as ability as anyone else in the league, but the big question in terms of if bron was in wade's position would he have showed the courage and leadership to totally take the series over, not settle for jumpers, etc... Heat were down 0-2 ins eries, and down by 10 with 5min to go in 4th quarter of game 3. Wade absolutely took over from there, hitting game winning and tying shots, game saving steals, huge 4th quarters, and 40PPG through last 4 games. From what bron has done in the past, being shy at times in big game situations/settling, do I question whether he would have totally taken over the series and game like Wade did? Yes, I do.But it doesn't matter as that's all hypothetical. Bottom line is Wade has a ring and Bron doesn't. You can make all these what if theories of if Bron was on the Heat would they have won the ring, but no one knows what would have happenned. For all we know, they might not even have gotten past the Pistons with Bron since Tayshaun Prince is probably the most difficult defender he ever faces (Heat beat Pistons mostly because Wade scored 30PPG on 70% shooting through first 5 games). But who knows, it doesn't matter.
well, as it goes down I have to admit both are great, but I don't think wade has reached to kobe's level and I doubt it. in fact wade has passed lebron in my opinion but I think that the list of the best should go on like this1. Kobe Bryant2. Allen Iverson3. Gilbert Arenas4. Carmelo Anthony5. Dwayne Wade6. LeBron James7. Tracy McGrady(ifeel him coming back, and if he does he should get the #2 spot)8. Vince Carterof course it's my list, and I just added SGs & SFsnow comparing Kobe to Wade, I see Kobe more a complete player, he is a better defender, sombedy said the opposite, but he is waaaayyyyyyyy better defender off the ball(in fact this is what makes Kobe a great defender), wade is owing him in assists, but the truth is that Kobe is better than Wade as a point guard, and most importantly Kobe has more guns in offense(I.e. Wade has no 3), plus as a clutch wade is nice but how come y'all compare him to Kobe, both can win a game when they are tied or down by 1, they can tie when they are down by 2, but can D-Wade win a game when they are down by 2, or tie when down by 3. I have respect for wade on the clutch there are some guys that own him in the cluch, while Kobe owns everyone. after all I gotta admit that D-wade is a better blocker even he is shorter than Kobe, and his quickness is only compareable with AI & Agent0, but thats it in any other thing Kobe owns including FG%, couse D-Wade turns the ball over too much. To me it is worse than missing a shot, becouse you loose the chance to board. Damn it was too long for my first post
Allen Iverson, Gilbert Arenas, and Carmelo above Wade AND Lebron? Are you on crack? I don't even know how to respond to something like this....
