Maybe we shouldn't trade Crabbe yet?

This could work...............for Goran Dragic.


Miami will most likely have a top3 pick and they'll get their new pg and with trading away Dragic they can get enough assets (a 1st pick+some guy) back to do their rebuild.

I think this deal with offering Crabbe's bad contract and Plumlee's RFA which will cost them a lot+2 picks with one of them being around 15th and the other 30th is not nearly good enough. They would only give Whiteside away for something exceptional and this is not. There are not many Cs like Hassan and Riley is smart enough to know that. He can easily do his rebuild only by trading Dragic .

 

I think Miami will focus hard on getting good value for Dragic and will keep Whiteside. If they can get a decent pick for Dragic then, as said above, will just replace Dragic with one of numerous point guards available in the draft and get some decent free agents in. It has to be taken into consideration that they will likely be a good free agent destination with plenty of salary cap flexibility. Their guaranteed salaries for next season are at $93M but if you take Dragic out, it's actually $76M. Bosh makes $25M and they might be able to write that off soon too which would take them to $51M. That's some pretty nice rebuild money there, they will easily get 2-3 very good free agents plus probably 1-2 more decent players in in the Summer with ca. $70M to spend before they get to luxury tax.

 

Crabbe has finally relax and just going out there and just playing. Before I believe he was putting pressure on himself to live up to his contract.

 

Wasn't there something about PA personally making sure we matched Crabbe's contract?

If this is the case, he's not going anywhere.

 

Bosh will indeed be off the books next year, they are going to use the disabled player exception on him due to the blood clot issue.

 

So $60M to $70M (they got some deadwood to offload still, Ellington) to spend on free agents. They don't need to be spending $18M on Crabbe now, or offload Whiteside who can attract free agents in some capacity. Will also have a high pick so they could rebound from their current poor position quickly.

 

Allen Crabbe never will have the athleticism that Martell Webster had.

 

He looks like he's got his confidence back. Someone (it may have been @Minstrel to his shame (which he doesn't have)) said he was just a spot up shooter, but he's been great coming off screens, a la Rip Hamilton. Let's see how this thing goes for a while.

 

I have 0 doubt in my mind that he can put up 15-20 ppg on good efficiency if he gets enough touches and PT. It's good for other teams to realize this on his current hot streak.

If we can package some group of Crabbe/Noah/Meyers/Fes/all picks for Whiteside, you do that ASAP.

 

I was among the people who said that, yes. Also, I have no shame and take pleasure in the pain of others, that's accurate.

If Crabbe can maintain this level and style of play, I'll admit that I underestimated him. I still think he's a very poor defender and can't do anything but shoot. But being able to score coming around a screen (as opposed to just standstill shots when he's left alone) would separate him from an Anthony Morrow type.

 

Why would Miami trade Whiteside? You don't trade a player like him period.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...e-on-the-block-a-look-at-heat-big-mans-value/

 

That's not how stats work, that if you expect a player to play at X level and then he underperforms, you should expect him to overperform to reach X in the end. If a player's "true talent level" is X, then X is what should be expected from him, whether or not he's underperformed to this point.

If you think a player is a .500 shooter and he shoots 0-4, the correct expectation for the next 4 shots is 2-2 and not 4-0.

I think Crabbe is roughly an 11-12 PER player, because that's what he's been his whole career. (including last year, his best). That's where he is now, which doesn't surprise me, since an 11-12 PER player dipping to 9-10 PER through random variation isn't particularly unusual. I'd expect such a player to have stretches of being absolutely terrible and some great games. Players aren't metronomes.

If a team is excited by what Crabbe has shown the past few games and wants to trade a positive asset for him, I'd do it and take on the "risk" that Crabbe has suddenly found himself and will be a star scorer for someone else going forward.

 

Unless you think he doesn't really bring it every night.

 

I guess it's difficult to play hard every night when you know your team's target is to tank.

 

Why is everyone so high on Whiteside in this thread? Sure, we need a defender and shot blocker, but wouldn't we rather target one who actually makes his team's defensive stats better?

 

Then you could do

TOR Gets: Plumlee
MIA Gets: Poeltl, Crabbe, TOR 17 1st, LAC 17 1st (via TOR), 2017 CLE 1st, 2018 POR 1st
POR Gets: Whiteside

or you could do that trade and instead send Crabbe to Philadelphia and their send a pick or Noel to Miami.

We could also convince them to that trade even more by trading Ezeli for Tyler Johnson soon to balloon contract (as a Crabbe replacement)

 

I think that has more to do with Paul not wanting to have another situation where a player left and we got nothing in return. Paul isn't in the habit of losing assets for nothing.