The Great Debate---Bosh, Jefferson, Howard, Bynum, or Amare?

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  1. RashadzMcCantz

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    <div align="center"> [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]<span style="color:#000080">Chris Bosh | Al Jefferson | Dwight Howard | Andrew Bynum | Amare Stoudemire</span></div>Who would you rather in the future? In other words, which player will end u being the best big man in the league in the future. Debate...
     
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    Dwight Howard easily, the only one who can give him comp is Amare, and Im not sure if hes going to last as good and long like Dwight Howard will.
     
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    Either Bosh or Howard but if I had to pick one I would have to pick Dwight Howard. This guy came out of hs and and only his third year he averaging 17 ppg and 12 rbg. This guy in the first couple years was really raw and had tons of talent but he hadn't quite mastered his offensive game yet. On the defensive guy though he is a freak as he can block shots with ease because of his extreme jumping ability. He also has a very muscular build to his body and is extremely athletic and his height helps him a lot too. This guy in his 3rd year though is finally starting to put everything together and it is showing this year as he is starting to dominate. As his career goes on he can only get better and when he is in his prime I see him averagin 23-25 ppg with about 13 rbg as well. When he learns the game more and can master his moves down low this guy will be completely unstoppable. As of right now Chris Bosh is better than Howard but in the future I would have to with Dwight.
     
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    Stoudamire- Has knee problems, and it can probably get worst as his career goes on.Bynum- Hasn't really showed me much yetBosh- He's shown the league what he can do this year. But isn't much of a threat to other teams, since other teams can have other players who are able to match up with him. And last year near the end of the season, teams started to put guards on him, and he wasn't as dominantDwight- He's huge and has got a lot stronger since his rookie years. He needs to work on his offense and bring out to the mid range more than just in the paint. He also needs to work on his free throws more cause soon teams will probably also use the hack-a-shaq thing and get him the the free throw line. But once he's inside the paint, he becomes unstoppable. His defensive skills are good. He can block a lot of shots and change shots as well. I would rather have a dominant force inside as well as a nice PG. So I would take Howard even if Bosh is starting to expand his offense to the 3 point arc. But he isn't as big and strong and howard and doesn't cause as much problems.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (HoNgKoNgKoBe @ Feb 7 2007, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stoudamire- Has knee problems, and it can probably get worst as his career goes on.Bynum- Hasn't really showed me much yetBosh- He's shown the league what he can do this year. But isn't much of a threat to other teams, since other teams can have other players who are able to match up with him. And last year near the end of the season, teams started to put guards on him, and he wasn't as dominantDwight- He's huge and has got a lot stronger since his rookie years. He needs to work on his offense and bring out to the mid range more than just in the paint. He also needs to work on his free throws more cause soon teams will probably also use the hack-a-shaq thing and get him the the free throw line. But once he's inside the paint, he becomes unstoppable. His defensive skills are good. He can block a lot of shots and change shots as well. I would rather have a dominant force inside as well as a nice PG. So I would take Howard even if Bosh is starting to expand his offense to the 3 point arc. But he isn't as big and strong and howard and doesn't cause as much problems.</div>Are you serious? You missed some awesome Laker games, man. He had to start for the Lakers with no experience and surprised everyone. And he's not even in his 20's yet.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (7Goat @ Feb 7 2007, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you serious? You missed some awesome Laker games, man. He had to start for the Lakers with no experience and surprised everyone. And he's not even in his 20's yet.</div>I agree with you man Andrew Bynum has been put into the starting lineups because of injuries but is really playing well everytime I see him play he's good for over 10 points and boards and can play good defense against the good big man.
     
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    Even though Howard is clearly the best defensive player, his offensive arsenal isn't even near CB4's offensive ability. Bosh is one of the best jump shooting big men in the league and is capable of scoring from anywhere on the court. He can shoot the ball over his defender or he can take it inside and finish with a slam dunk over his defender. He is also capable of making his free throws, which makes him very difficult to guard. Amare has great athleticism and even though he proved in last night's win that he can score without Nash, his offensive game relies too much on second chance points and easy dunks off Mike D'Antoni's system. He is similar to Howard, both have the athleticism but neither can score on his own. I like Bosh the most because he's already a leader, while Howard and Amare need their teammates to find them to score 15-20 points. All five are capable of averaging 25 ppg and 10 rpg but all five has some work to do if they plan on becoming the best.
     
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    Bynum definently has shown a lot for a young center. In 22 minutes he is averaging 9 points, 7 rebounds and 2 blocks which are efficient numbers for only playing one half. However, I would still go with Stoudemire as he has developed a mid-range shot and improved defense. Also, he is getting back to his explosive self.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RashadzMcCantz @ Feb 7 2007, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Even though Howard is clearly the best defensive player, his offensive arsenal isn't even near CB4's offensive ability. Bosh is one of the best jump shooting big men in the league and is capable of scoring from anywhere on the court. He can shoot the ball over his defender or he can take it inside and finish with a slam dunk over his defender. He is also capable of making his free throws, which makes him very difficult to guard. Amare has great athleticism and even though he proved in last night's win that he can score without Nash, his offensive game relies too much on second chance points and easy dunks off Mike D'Antoni's system. He is similar to Howard, both have the athleticism but neither can score on his own. I like Bosh the most because he's already a leader, while Howard and Amare need their teammates to find them to score 15-20 points. All five are capable of averaging 25 ppg and 10 rpg but all five has some work to do if they plan on becoming the best.</div>How can Dwight not create shots for himself...? Tonight he is 12-12 from the field with 30 points you have to be able to create shots with those numbers.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (7Goat @ Feb 7 2007, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you serious? You missed some awesome Laker games, man. He had to start for the Lakers with no experience and surprised everyone. And he's not even in his 20's yet.</div>k, my bad. Not many Lakers are being aired right now, so I didn't know. But I know he's going to get better if your training with Kareem.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moses2121 @ Feb 7 2007, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How can Dwight not create shots for himself...? Tonight he is 12-12 from the field with 30 points you have to be able to create shots with those numbers.</div>Howard was 13/14 from the field tonight while CB4 was 13/25 from the field. Bosh didn't shoot twice as many shots as Howard because he's that much better, he took twice as many attempts because he can create his own shot and can score from anywhere on the court while Dwight relies on second chance points and Jameer Nelson to create his shot opportunities for him.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RashadzMcCantz @ Feb 7 2007, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Howard was 13/14 from the field tonight while CB4 was 13/25 from the field. Bosh didn't shoot twice as many shots as Howard because he's that much better, he took twice as many attempts because he can create his own shot and can score from anywhere on the court while Dwight relies on second chance points and Jameer Nelson to create his shot opportunities for him.</div>How does that sentence make sense? Bosh made just as many attempts on more shots while Dwight only missed 1?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moses2121 @ Feb 7 2007, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How does that sentence make sense? Bosh made just as many attempts on more shots while Dwight only missed 1?</div>Dwight had an excellent shooting night because he can't create his own shot. His shots came off easy baskets in the post off offensive rebounds and finds from his teammates which were high percentage shots. On the other hand, Bosh took more attempts because he can create his own shot and his points came off jump shots and his ability to get to the line. Bosh has the ability to get to the free throw line that Dwight hasn't developed yet in his offensive arsenal. Bosh is such a great scorer that he can hurt you from the outside, inside, and the free throw line while Howard's points come off teammates creating the shot opportunities for him. I'm not sure how much more clearer I can put it.
     
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    Shaq doesn't have the mid-range shot and yet he can create his own shot which Howard is doing. This match-up is even to me.
     
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    AMARE!! Followed by Bosh, then Howard, ten Bynum, then Jefferson...but Kevin Garnett still is the best PF in the league!
     
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    O ok I see what your saying now I'm not disagreeing with you I mean Bosh is clearly better right now in his career and can play down low and from the outside. Bosh is going to be like a KG later in his career as they can both post and shoot but Bosh isn't quite the defender KG is. All I'm saying is that Dwight Howard has so much potential it's crazy and he is so young. As his career goes on he is going to develop his post game even more and he will eventually develop a mid range game but will never have the range Bosh currently has. IMO I just think that Dwight Howard will be the most dominating center in the league in about 3 to 4 years as he will still be very young. Bosh will be right up there with him too and it will be interesting to see how things turn out.
     
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    Howard. He is so dominate inside. I would pick Stoudemire but his injuries kill him. Bosh is also one to consider.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moses2121 @ Feb 7 2007, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How can Dwight not create shots for himself...? Tonight he is 12-12 from the field with 30 points you have to be able to create shots with those numbers.</div>12-13 32 points, Dwight doesn't create for himself at all though, he gets alot of garbage off the rim, you really should see him tonight.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Feb 7 2007, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>12-13 32 points, Dwight doesn't create for himself at all though, he gets alot of garbage off the rim, you really should see him tonight.</div>Garbage...what do you mean by that? Just because he is a good rebounder and gets a lot of offensive boards doesn't mean that is garbage. I mean all big man get a lot of those tip in's and put backs. Howard can't create shots from the outside but when he is inside he is pretty much unstoppable.
     
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    Bosh. Easily. He is by far the most refined and polished of all these young players, and already capable of carrying his team to a playoff birth. He is the most versatile of the players and has even more room to grow.Right now, Amare is second for me. He has shwoed in past few games without Nash he can put up over 30 and 10, and he uses his athletic ability the best out of all the players. Next to Bosh is the best offensive player of the group.Third would be Dwight Howard. Still very raw, still inconsistent, and still not using his athletic ability as well as Amare.
     

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