Maybe we shouldn't trade Crabbe yet?

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  1. oldfisherman

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    Paul Allen quote
     
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    That quite basically tells me exactly what history has shown.
    Plumlee isn't walking away for nothing. If the option comes to max, or walk. He's staying in Portland. They have the cap space to do so.
     
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    In this case, what Allen wants - he gets.

    If you were an NBA owner, would you pay the LT for this team? I sure as hell would not.
     
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    If I'm the owner and a trade can't be made. I would fire the GM if he let a player like Plumlee walk for nothing. When the team could resign him. I've already said this...
    Being that someone quoted Allen a couple posts before saying the exact samething, I think your question is silly and offers nothing to the op/my question
     
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    I'm not sure it's about money, though the money adds up - even for a $billionaire. The roster/salaries/trade penalties for being in the LT broke the heat, and likely will break up the Cavs before too long.

    That $billionaire from Russia who owned the Nyets paid a fortune in LT (over $100M, no?) and he bailed on that strategy in a hurry.
     
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    I thought he bailed because he was running for office in Russia and it was a conflict of interest? Seems I read that but he was a trader Bob without an eye for talent that's for sure
     
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    10 years losing $100M is a $billion. Not chump change.

    That was the old CBA, too, I think. The new on is ridiculous.
     
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    did that guy ever get married like he said he would? I don't even remember his name... Or if he is still even the owner in the NBA.
     
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    I believe your interpretation of what PA said in the quote is silly.

    My guess is, you have never been a business person. It also appears that you do not understand the business side of the NBA. I have been a business person my entire working life (50 years). Retired, I now spend more time researching the business side of the NBA than the game itself. Business is what I enjoy doing.

    Maybe you are confused because I did not include the question that was asked of PA. I will now include the question that resulted in his quote in my post above.

    Joe Freeman asked the question on Sept. 27, 2016.
    You have told us your interpretation of PA's answer. This is my interpretation of what PA’s said.

    Of course NO and I will explore ALL options, including paying the luxury tax, and then find the best answer. However, based on my past experience with paying the LT, it was not the best option then. It did not make sense in the past under the old CBA. Paying the LT was a mistake. Now the new CBA has much higher penalties, but we will still consider paying it. But don’t hold your breath that we will pay a ton of LT. And if we do pay LT, we will try to limit the damage to as few years as possible, and pay as little LT as possible.


    Nowhere in his quote does he say he plans to re-sign Plumlee if it puts the team deep into the LT, as you keep saying in many of your posts. Also he does not say he will fire the GM if he lets Plumlee walk for nothing. These maybe your opinions and I respect your opinion. Please stop making stuff up and passing it off as a fact, your starting to sound like Clownzano.
     
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    That sounds like a bad Trump joke.
     
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    Too long, wish I never read.
    Won't write about my experience/much of a reply.

    Any successful business knows assets make business more profitable.
    Any successful business accumulates assets and does their best to not let them walk for nothing in return.
    Any successful businessman knows this.

    I won't brag on an online forum about "what I like or what my career is".
    One scruffy & very active mod asked a year or two ago and I told him.
    Based off finding out, he told me "You'd do a great job moderating this forum." Had a laugh, was good fun.

    You say I'm starting to sound like Clownzano? But who's the one putting words in another posters post?
    Or is that Jaynes who does that? IDK because neither of them is worth my ear.

    Portland has the cap space to resign Plumlee, and will do so rather than letting him walk for nothing if they're unable to do something else.
    Oh right, Neil has never talked about asset accumulation. No businessman would ever try to accumulate assets.

    Hi CP3.
    Hi Clippers.
     
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    Right. We don't want to let him walk for nothing that's for sure. We can sign him no doubt. I think most took it as sign him and keep him. If we sign him, we need to trade him before the following year.
    I suppose it depends on what we are looking for. trade him now if we want to use him in a package, or trade him later for a slary dump type of deal.
    Either way, I do not see Plums in a Blazer Jersey come the start of 2019
     
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    1) Serious questions: What is the LT at, and how much is the LT going up next season? Some of the math above assume it's staying at the same level.

    2) Crabbe was certainly overpaid. That being said, I think many opinions about Crabbe's contract will change, at least a bit, if Caldwell-Pope is extended, based on the amount he gets.
     
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    The Luxury Tax is at $113,300,000. (Cap is at $94,000,000) Luxury Tax for next season is projected to be around $122,000,000 but won't have a definitive number for a bit. (Cap projected to be at $102,000,000)
     
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    The Blazers only have 10 guaranteed contracts so far next season, plus one dead cap (Varejao) for a total of $126,865,740. Which already puts them above all projected LT thresholds.

    Add in the salaries of the draft picks, and the Blazers go deeper into LT territory.

    Do you also keep Tim & Pat’s non-guaranteed contracts? Then add those in. Blazers go deeper into LT terrirtory.


    All of this before Plumlee is re-signed.
     
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    So, losing the contracts of Davis and Leonard get us under? I'm pretty sure we could get a protected 2nd round pick for each.

    That's one scenario.
     
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    Thanks guys, this puts things in perspective. I think I (and maybe others) forgot about CJs contract increasing by $20 mil from this season to the next.
     
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    Without putting a pencil to it, it probably would be close.

    However, now you only have 8 returning players, a bunch of rookies and projects, and zero centers.

    Olshey has painted himself into a corner. There are no good ways to get out of his mess without going deep into LT territory for a center.
     

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