Rebounding

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  1. TBpup

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    He doesn't have Luis Montero's trash talking to spur him on.
     
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    At least this year. What about last?
     
  3. Rastapopoulos

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    He's slow as molasses, so it would take a special team, but it's wrong to say the Spurs wanted to let him go.

    You know what they say about big hands....

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/boban-marjanovic-huge-hands-photos

    ...great rebounder!
     
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    He's had positive defensive metrics in the advanced stats section of BkRef his entire career, although this season is certainly better than prior. 82games confirms the same.
     
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    He certainly seems more "gettable" than a lot of the other names thrown out. He has an opt-out though I believe. That is a bit scary.
     
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    Here you go, Olshey. You're welcome.
     
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    Yeah, I'll take Noah for nothing, I guess. We take on a little bit of extra salary commitment (since Ezeli would have expired) but Noah's veteran leadership might be worth that.
     
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    In fact, I'd do this as well.
    It's not like Ed's really been earning his keep this year.
     
  11. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    If you only include players that have played enough to qualify for the per game rebounding leader board, Plumlee is 50th in the league in TRB at 15.1. Aminu hasn't played enough to qualify (yet), but if he had, he'd be tied for 55th at TRB = 14.1.

    All three of our starting front court players are below average rebounders for their positions. Harkless is 140th in the league in TRB% at 9.1 That's never a good thing.

    BNM
     
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    Seems to be similar to Nic. Harkless is pretty much playing the same role (on both Off/Def), minus the ball-handling. I suspect Terry's "Spread 'Em" philosophy has a lot to do with our awful rebounding numbers. When 95% of the offense takes place outside of the 3-point arc guys aren't really in position to get rebounds on all those low-percentage jumpers we take.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Less than 25% of all rebounds league wide are offensive rebounds. So, the abundance of 3-pointers in Srotts' offense, and resulting long rebounds would help explain why Plumlee and Aminu have such low ORB% numbers, it does not help explain why Mo is such a weak defensive rebounder.

    And you can't really blame the increased emphasis on the 3-point shot in general. Mo is a weak defensive rebounder relative to his SF peers.

    BNM
     
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    Unfortunately he has improved so much this year that he is probably not available.
     
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    I not so sure on that. He still gets (relatively) little minutes for the Bucks. They are a deep team though I suppose...
     
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    He doesn't fit their offensive style, so they bring him off the bench to play in the low post against reserves. He's pretty good for them in that role--I'm sure he's available, but likely not cheap.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yeah, I'm surprised how good his stats look at 82games.com - both his individual production (outscoring his opponent by 7.5 PTS/48) and his positive impact on his team's performance (+9.7 PTS/48) when he's on the court.

    I get that it's a relatively small, but not insignificant, sample size and it's come mostly against other teams' second units, but it's hard to find fault with the guy's production. Enes Kanter flat out got robbed in 6th Man of the Year voting last season. He should have won it. Monroe's numbers aren't quite as good as Kanter's, but if he keeps this up the guy at least deserves to get a few 3rd place votes.

    OK, he wouldn't likely produce at the same rate as a starter playing a bigger role, but as long as he has a positive net positive impact, that would be an improvement.

    So, what are the red flags? Attitude? Selfish player? Can opt out, so might be a half season rental? Any others?

    BNM
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    It doesn't. It usually means boxing out. Which also helps your team's other rebounders if done unselfishly. I do consider rebounding a certain type of defense though. As in, the other team doesn't get the ball back with another shot to score. Rebounding is so important. Of course, hard to rebound if the other team makes all their shots. Then it doesn't matter how good of a rebounder someone is, it becomes a moot point.

    Did I have a point in there somewhere? Probably not. ;)

    :cheers:
     
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