To rebuild - it's our only answer right now. This is becoming a joke. All the so-called "experts" say, "Oh, Indiana's only a player away from contention." But no. We're not. We already did a pretty big roster makeover in the off-season and made a pretty big trade and we're still not better off.We've had too many incidents with this current team, it's time for the Pacers to rebuild. I wouldn't mind going a whole season winning only 10 games if it meant we could come back into contention.Last night Rick Carlilse and Darrell Armstrong both got ejected and Jeff Foster got a technical. Add that into the fact that our players keep getting involved in fights and it's obvious that we have some severe problems. So, I've come up with a list of players who should stay, players who maybe should leave, and players who have to leave:Should stay: Danny Granger, Shawne Williams, Ike Diogu, Jeff Foster, Troy MurphyIffy: Mike Dunleavy, Orien GreeneHave to leave: Jamaal Tinsely, Marquis Daniels, Rawle Marshall, Keith McCloud, Jermaine O'neal
You do realize you're the only pacers fan right?But yes, they do need a massive overhaul. Ditch JO if you can, etc.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Feb 10 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To rebuild - it's our only answer right now. This is becoming a joke. All the so-called "experts" say, "Oh, Indiana's only a player away from contention." But no. We're not. We already did a pretty big roster makeover in the off-season and made a pretty big trade and we're still not better off.We've had too many incidents with this current team, it's time for the Pacers to rebuild. I wouldn't mind going a whole season winning only 10 games if it meant we could come back into contention.Last night Rick Carlilse and Darrell Armstrong both got ejected and Jeff Foster got a technical. Add that into the fact that our players keep getting involved in fights and it's obvious that we have some severe problems. So, I've come up with a list of players who should stay, players who maybe should leave, and players who have to leave:Should stay: Danny Granger, Shawne Williams, Ike Diogu, Jeff Foster, Troy MurphyIffy: Jermaine O'neal, Mike Dunleavy, Orien GreeneHave to leave: Jamaal Tinsely, Marquis Daniels, Rawle Marshall, Keith McCloud</div>Your not going to get an superstar instead of Oneal, you guys are probably going to tank next season and get the O.J Mayo, Beasley, or Rose type of player deal. I mean if I was any GM, I wouldn't trade anything less of a bundle of role players for JO. I dont know about trading Daniels, he could prove valuable later, but you guys need lottery picks bad.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Mar 29 2007, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your not going to get an superstar instead of Oneal, you guys are probably going to tank next season and get the O.J Mayo, Beasley, or Rose type of player deal. I mean if I was any GM, I wouldn't trade anything less of a bundle of role players for JO. I dont know about trading Daniels, he could prove valuable later, but you guys need lottery picks bad.</div>Well - Daniels is a good scorer but I haven't seen anything else special about his game. And even his scoring is limited to withing 15 feet of the basket. Plus he was involved with the strip club scenario.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Feb 10 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Should stay: Danny Granger, Shawne Williams, Ike Diogu, Jeff Foster, Troy Murphy Iffy: Jermaine O'neal, Mike Dunleavy, Orien Greene Have to leave: Jamaal Tinsely, Marquis Daniels, Rawle Marshall, Keith McCloud</div> If you really want to rebuild, you have to get rid of more than Tisley/Daniels and two career end-of-the-bench wonders. Jermaine has publicly stated a lot of frustration about this organization within the past year or so, and I recall him saying something like "if we aren't going to take it to the next level soon, it makes sense for us to go our separate ways." Maybe he's right. Maybe Indiana does need to shop Jermaine this summer and see what they can get. Maybe they should go young, get some fresh legs in there with clean records and no injury problems. The Pacers have been a complete mess for the past 3 years. Injuries, off-court issues, inconsistent play, Artest, etc. It hasn't gotten better. I think they do need to rebuild, because with the pieces they have, they can't put together a good package to get another star to pair up with Jermaine. They are swimming in the pool of mediocrity.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Mar 29 2007, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you really want to rebuild, you have to get rid of more than Tisley/Daniels and two career end-of-the-bench wonders. Jermaine has publicly stated a lot of frustration about this organization within the past year or so, and I recall him saying something like "if we aren't going to take it to the next level soon, it makes sense for us to go our separate ways." Maybe he's right. Maybe Indiana does need to shop Jermaine this summer and see what they can get. Maybe they should go young, get some fresh legs in there with clean records and no injury problems. The Pacers have been a complete mess for the past 3 years. Injuries, off-court issues, inconsistent play, Artest, etc. It hasn't gotten better. I think they do need to rebuild, because with the pieces they have, they can't put together a good package to get another star to pair up with Jermaine. They are swimming in the pool of mediocrity.</div>Yeah. I made this thread several months ago. I'd definetley move JO to the have to trade list.
Yeah, step one is to get rid of Jermaine O'neal. Right now I think they could get some pretty good value for him. A team like Chicago would make a lot of sense..though Chicago seems to in love with their core and mediocrity to take it to the next level.There'd be a lot of possible destinations for O'neal though.And why does Jeff Foster get to stay?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Mar 29 2007, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your not going to get an superstar instead of Oneal, you guys are probably going to tank next season and get the O.J Mayo, Beasley, or Rose type of player deal. I mean if I was any GM, I wouldn't trade anything less of a bundle of role players for JO. I dont know about trading Daniels, he could prove valuable later, but you guys need lottery picks bad.</div> Are you saying they will just suck next season, or purposly tank?-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyway, Larry Bird has no idea what he's doing. It will be interesting to see what they do this offseason.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Mar 29 2007, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well - Daniels is a good scorer but I haven't seen anything else special about his game. And even his scoring is limited to withing 15 feet of the basket. Plus he was involved with the strip club scenario.</div>So what if he was involved in a strip club Scenario, I mean if a dude comes up to you and starts sh*t what are you going to do? just stand there. But I mean he's a grown man and most grown men like going to strip clubs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Mar 29 2007, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, step one is to get rid of Jermaine O'neal. Right now I think they could get some pretty good value for him. A team like Chicago would make a lot of sense..though Chicago seems to in love with their core and mediocrity to take it to the next level.There'd be a lot of possible destinations for O'neal though.And why does Jeff Foster get to stay?</div>Jeff Foster is the only player on our roster besides darell armstrong who actually gives 110%<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dmoney @ Mar 29 2007, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So what if he was involved in a strip club Scenario, I mean if a dude comes up to you and starts sh*t what are you going to do? just stand there. But I mean he's a grown man and most grown men like going to strip clubs.</div>He's ruining our team chemistry (which we don't have a lot of anyway) with his off court scenarios
Daniels diden't seem that bad in Dallas maybe it's because of the bad influences he has around him, maybe get rid of the bad seeds and Daniels would be good towards team chemistry again.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dmoney @ Mar 29 2007, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Daniels diden't seem that bad in Dallas maybe it's because of the bad influences he has around him, maybe get rid of the bad seeds and Daniels would be good towards team chemistry again.</div>Well, yeah - I don't think he's as much of a problem as Tinsley is or Jackson was but still. I don't know - if Reggie was still on the team he'd beat anyone up like Marquis for an incident like that. I guess if we got some leadership he could be a good guy for the team. But his offensive game is limited to within 15 feet and he isn't a sversatile as people make him to be - he could never handle the pg posistion. His defense is good though.
I agree with you Pacers fan forever. We should trade JO. Usually it seems we actually play better without him because when he's out hteir the team relies on him too much but when he's not out there the whole team steps up and plays together. As good as JO is, I think his time in Indy is done.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Amare320 @ Apr 1 2007, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just bring Reggie Miller out of retirment, that's what id do...He will convince JO to stay.</div>Well, about half of the people here in Indiana don't want him anymore and he's a very toughwilled person (Remember the Artest or me comments)
I think we've seen the best reason for trading Jamaal in these last few games. Two games with Keith McLeod as the starting PG, two wins. I don't care if we get good value or we get absolute crap for him, just get him outta here and have him take Carlisle with him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hoosier4life @ Apr 10 2007, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think we've seen the best reason for trading Jamaal in these last few games. Two games with Keith McLeod as the starting PG, two wins. I don't care if we get good value or we get absolute crap for him, just get him outta here and have him take Carlisle with him.</div>hey. are you a pacers fan? welcome to the site man!I agree that Jamaal and Carlilse should go. I think McCloud should go too. An off court incident and his turnovers do not impress me at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Legacy @ Apr 10 2007, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>hey. are you a pacers fan? welcome to the site man!I agree that Jamaal and Carlilse should go. I think McCloud should go too. An off court incident and his turnovers do not impress me at all.</div>Yeah I am. I'm undecided on McLeod. He's stepped up these last two games but like you said, he's not very efficient and they're is in need of a major makeover as far as the team image goes.
If you guys have the money, go for Vince Carter. He'll play good as long as he gets the money, and is not on a team with Rafael Araujo.
