Awfully quiet about the snubs in here...

The team is almost exactly the same as last year. Why are you exonerating Dame/CJ from this? Dame especially has been AWFUL as of late. His shot is in the toilet again and he isn't even trying on defense. Guys are just going at him for straight line drives to the rim over the past few weeks, and that has been a huge reason why we're losing.

If he's unhealthy, he will get an opportunity to rest and get back to where he was to start the season. But the Dame of the last 2 months or so is not an All Star given his competition.

 

I'm like the Dame of this forum...... has ups and downs, but I still bring it in spite of being surrounded by you cock gobblers!

 

Pretty funny. I genuinely laughed out loud.

Buuuuuut I'mma need to see that post you made that was the equivalent to Dame's 0.9 shot before you go comparing yourself to him.

See... you're lucky I don't participate in those landscaping jokes...

 

Statistically, Dame is still up there with the best of the game. I'm never going to accept the All-Star game, a supposed weekend for the fans, as a way of patting guys on the back for winning games. That's not the spirit of the event.

If your argument starts out, "well that guy is better, but this guy's team won more games," then I feel like you understand the point of individual achievements.

 

Its definitely a snub, the only way its not is if you say its because of our record but then that negates Cousins and winning has not mattered that much the last 7 or so year when it comes to the ASG. You add in the fact Lillard is the only player in the last 30 years to avg 26 4 and 5 to not make the AS game and yes it is most definitely not just a snub but one bigger then last year. If a player was on the Lakers or NY and put up those numbers and didn't make the game all the media would be talking about is how its the largest AS snub of all time.

 

Last year we were a team on the rise and Dame was beasting right before the all start break, playing his best ball of the entire season.

This year we a a team going nowhere and Dame has been struggling to make shots, playing his worst ball of the season (so far).

Not the same situation at all. Last year was a snub. This year, not so much.

BNM

 

I don't think it's just simply winning though - All of the guys who made it are winning AND having good years. The Spurs are only 2.5 games behind Golden State and have only one guy in the all-star game, so it's not only about winning.

 

Isn't this why we track overall stats though? Shouldn't it be the cumulative play of the entire first half of the season and not just "recently?"

Nobody has averaged what Dame is averaging and missed out. Nobody. Not ever. How can it not be a snub if he's putting up numbers that have always been selected to the team?

 

I get that but there are other factors other than just the numbers in black and white. In my opinion 21ppg @ the slowest pace in the NBA + being the driving force behind the best defensive team in the NBA(Gordon Hayward) is better than dame's resume as an example. Even though comparable numbers are being put up by maybe 30+ guys right now but Hayward deserves it more. It's about the individual but if youre putting up gaudy stats like dame is and youre team gets blown out every other night youre just not going to get any love around the league and that's just the way it goes. We want to call it politics or being in a small market but it's not, its a measure of success and the goal is to win the games.

Dame's stats ring hollow without wins.

 

There are 2 sides of the game in basketball. The terrible D can't be ignored.

 

So last year, when we were overachieving and we made the second round of the playoffs... that wasn't good enough and he didn't make it.

This year, when we're underachieving, it's his fault and he didn't make it.

It's hard to take any of this seriously when the goal posts keep moving. Our roster is fundamentally broken. A bunch of dudes got paid, most of them are severely under-performing. Dame and CJ are the only dudes actually earning their paycheck right now. That's not Dame's fault.

 

James.

Harden.

 

I think the team record has to be a factor. Very good players on bad teams deserve to be an all star, because like you all say it is not necessarily their fault their team has a bad record. But very good players, who are on better deeper teams, also deserve to be on the team. Likewise it is not their fault they don't get as many shots as players who are on worse teams. Shouldn't the team performance/stats be as important as the individual performances/stats?

So for me...there is no question Dame and CJ deserved to be all stars....but so does Westbrook, Klay Thompson and Gordon Hayward (For the first time) It's a numbers game and they have to limit the number of players on the squad.

 

Last year was a UUUUGE snub there is really no debating it he was 2nd-team all NBA! That decision was terrible and only made by the fans i should add! I was pissed for weeks after last year and then dame went out and put the league on notice(which was f-ing awesome). I would be VERY surprised if he went out and did the same thing this year however.

Dame is the leader and fair or not when things are off the rails he gets the blame just like when things are good he gets all the credit. And by the way second team all NBA to the back to back MVP is about as high an honor as you can receive in that situation.

 

still a better defender than dame by a factor of 10

 

I'm not focusing on records at all. But random stat combinations like 26/4/5 aren't meaningful either. It leaves out issues like scoring efficiency, pace or defense. 26 PPG is definitely an impressive scoring average, but we should be beyond the point of judging a player's value by their raw points per game.

I think Lillard is All Star caliber, but a "snub" implies that he's a slam dunk All Star who got passed over and I don't think he is at all, completely ignoring team record. There were other All Star caliber players too and Lillard lost out to them. That's not a snub to me.

 

I just think it's interesting because Klay Thompson played like absolute trash at the beginning of the season, but he improved as the season wore on and he made the team.

Dame played like a god at the beginning of the season, but he's currently in a slump and he didn't make the team.