Awfully quiet about the snubs in here...

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  1. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    Yeah, but Ellis is kind of a dildo.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Paul is hurt. I have to think that played a part.

    Conley's numbers are..... boring. He's just not that great at any one thing. He's a solid scorer. A solid passer. A solid defender. But he's not really exceptional at anything. Look at his stats.

    18.6 ppg
    6.2 assists
    3.8 rebounds

    He's shooting 43% from the field. He's a very solid starter, but an All-Star?
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I guess we have finally reached that part of the cycle.

    Acquire player---------------->Love player---------------->Shit on player (we're here)------------------> Trade player or player leaves.
     
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    Okay, but once you start discussing excitement rather than overall value, you're moving towards "voting for who you'd like to see rather than who's best."

    How does Conley's defense boost those numbers you quoted? Also, while his field goal percentage is low, his TS% (which accounts for free throws and three-pointers) is .571. Pretty close to Lillard's .581. Lillard is the better scorer (better efficiency over more shots) but Conley's no slouch and also brings strong defense.
     
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    Wasn't really snubbed.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    You disregarded my point that he's not really exceptional at anything. Lillard has proven to be one of the best scorers in the league over the last two years. What is Conley one of the best at? I mean..... if it's defense that's great, but being a defensive stopper has never really been enough to warrant an All-Star spot for a guard.
     
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    ...does that mean he wants Dame DOLLA to perform at the All-Star game?! :dunno:
     
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    I'm not talking about this year, I'm talking about EVER...
     
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    Regarding all-time all-star snubs, I don't think anyone matches Kareem in '78. Missed the first month of the season, but still was putting up 30/13 over 2 months by the time the ASG came about. (NBA champions) Walton and Lucas got in, but Kareem didn't.

    Only all-star game he missed in his entire career.
     
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    I meant ever too. Someone has to have the "best offensive stats of a non-All Star ever." It doesn't automatically make that person a snub.
     
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    That's all wrapped up in how sexy a pick a player is. I don't know what the cut-off for "exceptional" is, but even if Conley isn't exceptional at any single thing (except, perhaps, defense) he can still have more total value than a player who is exceptional at one thing, but extremely deficient at something else.

    This is akin to an observation Bill James made about the Hall of Fame (in baseball), which is that a player who was quietly strong across the board is generally a lot less likely to make the Hall of Fame relative to a player who wasn't good at everything, and even terrible at some things, but was great at one thing. Specialists get more credit than generalists, even if the generalist was more valuable overall.
     
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    No wonder Kareem fled to LA, so he could compete with the glamor market that is Portland.
     
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    Who said we were at the latter stages of that?

    And lately, has his play not warranted at least some critique?

    It's okay, he's still a great player.
     
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    You know, if that hadn't been his third year as a Laker, that would have been a perfect explanation.
     
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    Okay. No wonder he changed his name. Better?
     
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    You teenagers and your ignorance of history...

    GET OFF MY LAWN!!
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Because no player will ever live up to the expectations that this fanbase sets for them. Not Brandon Roy. Not LaMarcus Aldridge. Not Rasheed Wallace. Can't we just be happy to have a really good player at a position where we used to have Nolan Smith?
     
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    Brandon Roy did live up to it.

    It was his knees that didn't.
     
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    My alternate answer was going be: I wasn't talking about his college career...
     
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    I really liked Roy, Aldridge and Sheed. I really like Lillard.

    "Really like" isn't the same as thinking that Lillard is Moses Malone reborn.
     
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