Awfully quiet about the snubs in here...

Roy had his faults, and there was certainly some controversy surrounding who he wanted to play point guard between Miller and Blake. There are still people who hold some bad feelings about how he left. I'm pretty sure Quick has talked about how Brandon changed with stardom.

 

CP3 is hurt

 

The all star game it like the WWE it a show that it. I rather our players get the rest and heal up than go to something that is a joke of basketball. There no defense it just high lite reel. Matter fact I don't even watch the game.

 

It pains me to say, but i don't think Lillard deserved it this year.
He's not a good defender, he didn't play particularly smart at times and CJ looked like the better player for the last few weeks now.

Maybe he can use it as constructive criticism which help him get better.

 

But we're talking about how he was when he was here.

And he was fucking great.

 

It's the truth.

 

With that logic, then it's impossible for anyone to get snubbed.

If Westbrook didn't make it, you could also say "well, someone has to have the best offensive stats of a non-All star ever"...

 

I wasn't saying that you can't be snubbed if you had the best stats ever for a non-All Star. I was saying it doesn't automatically make you a snub.

Overall value is what determines whether a player is a snub, not a factoid about "best stats ever" or "only player ever to reach 26/4/5 exactly" for a non-All Star. Westbrook has provided a ton more value this season than Lillard, so yes, if he didn't make the All Star game, he'd be a snub. Not because he'd have "the best stats ever for a non-All Star" but because he provides way too much value for there to be any argument against his inclusion.

In my opinion, Lillard doesn't reach that no-doubt level of production once you include his defense. I think Lillard had a solid argument for being an All Star, but so did the players chosen over him. He plays a deep position, he has a huge weakness and his offense, while great, isn't overwhelming enough to overcome that (as it is for, say, James Harden). In my opinion.

 

If you're the best out of all the players to not make the all-star team, then you have to be considered a snub. Otherwise, the other players can't be considered snubs either because they were having worse seasons.

26ppg and 6 assists isn't overwhelming? OK. Lillard has one below average (For his standards) stretch in his career and all of a sudden his 26ppg isn't "overwhelming" anymore. James Harden has an insanely high usage rate. Lillard doesn't have as high of a usage rate. The difference isn't as much as it suggests.

Hayward, Green, Jordan, and Thompson were all guys that SHOULDN'T have been picked over Lillard but were because of their team success (which I think is bullshit to select a guy based off his team).

 

Only if you're clearly better than guys who made it. He wasn't unarguably the best, though, nor was he clearly better than players who made the team. He was in the argument with guys like Hayward, Jordan, Thompson, Gobert, etc. It wouldn't have been wrong for him to make it, nor is it wrong for him not to make it.

Defense does matter to value. It's not like Lillard is even an average defender. He's a way below average defender, so that leeches away some of the positive value he brings with his offense.

 

I think we should start to call him "Snub."

Fits him in many ways.

 

DRTG 114 vs DRTG 107 but I have no credibility I guess

 

If the Blazers were over.500, I'd get excited about the snub. As it is, meh.

 

Four guards from the Western Conference made the all star team. Two starters and two reserves. Saying Dame is not currently among the top 4 guards in the West based on the way he's been playing is hardly the same as "shitting" on him.

BNM

 

Lots of baloney in this thread.

Lots of terrible defenders have made the AS team, a variety of terrible offensive players, too - including THIS year.

I think much of the confusion stems from the popular idea that this is an award for individuals. I don't think it is, rather it's a TEAM award. Lillard and CJ weren't snubbed, the Blazers were. You could make a lot of reasonable arguments for why the Blazers should/shouldn't be snubbed.

Top teams in West (in order):
GS, starter, starter.
SA, starter.
Houston, starter.
LAC, check (would be starter,too, but CP3 is injured)
Jazz, check (this is why GH made the team!)
OKC, check.
Memphis, check.

That's 8 of 12:
Nuggets, Blazers, Kings, Pels are the next tier of teams by record. Here's what the voters did:

GS, GS, Kings, Pels (starter).

So, it's really Blazers vs Kings vs. 4th GS. I don't agree with the voters. I think Blazers should have won over 4th GS, and probably the Kings, too, which is why I consider it a snub.

 

Haywards not a good defender either, and his offensive numbers don't come close to Lillards... No way that you can say Hayward made it because he's having a better season.

 

"Awfully quiet about the snubs in here..."

Don't blame me. Last night I tried to bring the appropriate thread back to its subject. The thread had become all about 13-year-old girls or something.

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/4072442/

 

Hayward's about an average defender. He's not scoring as much as Lillard, but he's scoring more efficiently. And his Offensive Rating is on par with Lillard's, so his overall effect on his team's offense is pretty profound.

And I'm not saying he's having a better season. He's one of the "on the bubble" guys, like Lillard. I think it would have been fine for Lillard to make it over Hayward, and I think it's fine for Hayward to make it over Lillard. I think they have similar value--I wouldn't argue if you preferred Lillard to Hayward, but I don't think the difference is enough to call it an injustice.

 

Hayward also takes more than 4 fewer shots per game than Dame and plays on the team with the slowest pace in the league. Their PERs are comparable and Hayward has a better TS% and is shooting much better from 3-point range than Dame.

The big difference is:

UTA = 30-18
POR = 20-27

Reverse the records and Dame makes it over Hayward.

BNM