Zombie Fire Olshey

This forum should just be the GM, we could vote on whether to do deals or not.

 

See. You get it.

 

I wanted to "like" this, but it made me too depressed.

 

I liked it, for the lol of it.

 

The pick we gave up turned out to be #19 Malik Beasley, who is looking like a decent prospect in his rookie year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/beaslma01.html

Olshey is much better than them. I'm not really down on Olshey, other than 1) he thinks like the Clippers did for 20 years, ignoring defense while gathering scrub assets for a Golden Future, and 2) if Bob Whitsitt says the word, we should grab him like they did Calabro.

 

I think we can add Chandler Parson's to Neil's list of "dodged bullets". Almost all his FA targets that have snubbed/or been matched, have gone on to be buyer's regret signings. Hawes, Hibbert, Monroe, now Parsons (not to mention the guys he did sign not living up to their contracts).

 

And two of the players had significantly more minutes played. Unfair analysis.

Is there really any other place to be?

 

Not really. Better players = more playing time.

 

I cant believe this argument is still going on.


Please follow along, I will type slowly.

We were in win now mode. Meaning going for it all.
Wes went down. We had no one who could immediately step into his shoes and contribute without requiring further development. Whether that means more minutes is irrelevant, because AT THE TIME Wes went down, we did not have the luxury of possibly losing games through development.
If Wes had gone down early in the season, certainly you give minutes to internal players. But THERE WAS NO TIME TO DEVELOP IF YOU WANTED TO WIN IT ALL THAT YEAR.
So we trade for a player who was thought to be able to come in and contribute immediately. People say he didn't contribute. Do those people recognize he injured his shoulder? Can we say whether he would have been able to contribute consistently if he was 100% healthy?
NO we cant.
So for those saying it was a bad trade, you are basing it off of things you do not know and can not prove.

YES, hindsight shows it was not a trade that helped the team, but again. AT THE TIME, it was the right move to try to continue our momentum and going for it all. Does anyone really think Afflalo was brought in to be here long term?
No.
He was a stop gap so we can keep on trucking through the playoffs.

Will was an out of control player with some serious potential, but wasn't showing signs of reigning in his game. We still had CJ, a much better prospect waiting on the bench, so ONE of them wasn't going to develop with minutes here anyhow.
Does The Thrill have more value now that he has developed?
Yes. Two years later.
Does CJ have more value now that he has developed?
YES and its FAR better than Wills.
Could EITHER of them have developed in the 20 or so games we had left before the playoffs? Yes, CJ did, but Will?
I highly doubt it.
He is still not the best player on a crappy team and still makes a ton of boneheaded decisions.

So for those of you who want to bitch and complain the trade was bad, please produce an alternative scenario that could have played out that doesn't involve some delusional idea that Will would have been just fine stepping up AT THAT TIME and providing a consistent contribution to help our push in going for it all?
Short of trading LMA and blowing it up, which some say should have happened, there wasn't much to do, but if you wanted to make a push, we needed to have one more vet contribute and so we went and got one. And again, HE also go injured.
Don't forget. He got injured and tried playing through it because he know what he was here for. I give him respect for that while some people shit on him and say he sucked.

YOU ever play a sport injured and try to play at an optimal level?

This trade from two years ago seriously needs to be put to rest. It was the decision made and those who didn't like it or don't like it now, are only using hindsight vision and short term memory to come to their conclusions.

There is a broader picture than just the here and now people.


Just sayin...

 

I think some folks (myself among them) wondered WTF would anyone (especially us) go after Afflalo? As was pointed out, he had one good year, his contract year. The guy just wasn't very good to begin with. IIRC, Wilson Chandler was also in the conversation. I get that he was a SF while we were looking for a guard, but Chandler would have been the far better deal and would have probably helped us more. We should have held out for Chandler. But then, it's all past history now.....

 

I dont know those players, so you may be right in their instance, but I disagree with the principle. more time on the court doesn't always equate to them being better. and there are many cases in point that I think are obvious enough that I don't need to look them up and point them out?

 

And Look at Chandler now? For how much more?

I think you are over valuing Wills trade value at the time we traded him. We would have had to give up alot more than what we did for Parsons and it would have stung even worse. DO I need to link the Blazers twitter feed?

So I am sorry, but using hindsight, Chandler would have been a much WORSE decision.

 

CJ was the answer. It's difficult form me to believe CJ wasn't good and then all of a sudden became the MIP the next season. Stotts just wouldn't play him. Same with Barton. Barton immediately became a 6MoY candidate.

Either that or those two had the best summer workout/improvement programs of all time in the history of the NBA. ~Bill Walton.

 

He means Wilson Chandler.

 

Ahhh, my bad. Okay. Well he was even more valuable at the time than Parsons, so you really think we coulve have got him for what we paid for Afflalo? If not how much more of that team or draft picks would you have considered?
Second, do you think he would have been the key to push us through to the WFC? If not, then again, irrelevant and would have been a worse decision. we would have given up more and still not won.
I can go on all day with the hindsight vision and play devils advocate. lol.

Just way too many X factors for anyone to say its a bad trade in my opinion.

 

It was a questionable trade at best when it was made.

The same probing question should have been asked about Afflalo.

Do you honestly think he would have been the missing piece to push us to the WCF? I didn't at the time and thought it was a poor trade (much like many of the other people who gripe about it). Affalo isn't a difference maker, and trading for him would have only had a negligible effect in the best case.

Again, if he isn't going to push our team to the WCF (which he wasn't going to), then it was a poor trade AT THE TIME & definitely with hindsight. That team wasn't contender material.

Having said all that, I understand the reasoning (even if I don't agree with it). Unfortunately, NO has made several other very poor choices that will soon overshadow that Affalo trade.

 

Good attempt at reasoning, but sorry...Olshey overpaid.