Merged: blazers linked to serge ibaka

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  1. e_blazer

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    Sounds like you're about ready for the initiation. Pinwheel tattoo in a painful location and then off to see Mrs. HCP.
     
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    Except, unlike the Afflalo trade, we're not even a legit Playoff team this time around. Ibaka probably ensures us of the 8th seed, but we still struggle to win a single game in Round 1.

    Only way I trade for Ibaka is by jettisoning crap players or contracts (Aminu, Davis, Meyers, Ezeli) and maybe tossing CLE's pick into the mix - but I'm definitely not including OUR pick in the trade.
     
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    I am not opposed to trading for Ibaka. I think he'd be an awesome addition, especially if he stays. He's not that old, and I think he'll be able to play well into his 30s at a high level.

    I am warning people that I think he's going to bolt if there's a real contender offering the max they can.
     
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    I should have pointed that out - that we're not looking for the piece to make us championship contenders. Ibaka would clearly fill a giant hole in the lineup/roster as it's constituted. Leonard needed to step up this season, and didn't. Vonleh is better, but isn't ready yet.
     
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    My hope would be that Stotts would win him over. Ibaka could thrive in a Stotts offense.
     
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    I agree he'd thrive.

    We need to send out salaries to match, preferably taking back less than we send out. And we need to not really hurt ourselves if/when Ibaka bolts.

    Ibaka makes $12.25M.

    I'm guessing Ezeli's expiring deal has a lot of value to them, since they're giving up an expiring. Plus we need the salary ballast to make the deal work under the CBA.

    The Cavs' pick is house money. I have no problem sending that out.

    They want a pick and young talent they can grow into a key rotation player.

    Leonard + Ezeli + Cavs' pick works, but I'm not sure Orlando would go for it. Leonard still has a lot of upside, though.

    Mo + Ezeli + Cavs' pick also works, but I don't know why Orlando wants Mo back. They probably don't see much upside in him.

    Aminu + Ezeli + Cavs' pick works.

    Davis + Ezeli + pick works.
     
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    Plus the Cavs' pick and any 2nd rounders that might sweeten the deal enough.
     
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    My preference would be either of the last two. I wouldn't trade Harkless, and I think it would be embarrassing for ORL to trade for him.
    Even though Meyers has stunk it up, I'd rather keep him in the hopes of using him in a future trade. Even if he's never traded, keeping him as a specialist off the bench for very specific and limited usage could prove beneficial if we ever build a good roster with a good system.
     
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    Magic writer on Portland radio this morning made it clear that Crabbe is the most intriguing reasonably obtainable player on the Blazers's roster for the Magic. Nate's proposed deal of Crabbe/Leonard for Ibaka/Green makes a lot of sense.
     
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    We would have to be pretty confident that we could re-sign Ibaka. Can we still offer him an extension at this point or is it too late?
     
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    Are you guys ok with paying Ibaka 35 mil at age 32?
     
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    Zach from last march: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14877651/chemistry-commitment-blazers-ahead-schedule

     
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    I don't like it - it's basically a salary dump, and we're dumping our best SF. I understand that Turner is playing SF right now, but I think it's a mistake - he's playing essentially the same as he was off the bench, but Mo's playing worse off the bench than he was as a starter, so it's a net negative.
     
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    And a follow up.

    Would you rather pay Ibaka 35 mil in 2020, or Meyers 11, and Crabbe 18?
     
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    Can he be extended? Yes.
    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q60

    Can he be extended before the trade? Yes.
    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q94

    How long could those extensions be? 2 years or 3 years depending on if done before or after the trade.
    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q60

    So, he could be extended an addtional 3 years after he's traded, but those additional 3 years would only be worth $40,57,500 maximum. And if we wanted him extended prior to the trade, he would only get a max of two additional years, for a total of $26,153,750. I think it's safe to say that he's better served to go into free agency rather than sign an extension.
     
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    Option 2. But I don't think either player stays on the roster until 2020.
     
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    But Crabbe sucks, and his contract is untradeable!
     
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    Except to front offices full of morons...
     
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    I suspect a lot of front offices.

    The guy is hitting 44% of his 3pt shots, and is a double digit scorer as a 6th man.

    He obviously has a lot of value.
     
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