IMO, there is no way in hell Gilbert is a superstar. He has never maid any noise in the playoffs, he is a pretty one demensional player, and that is really whats holding him back IMO. He is a great scorer, but it is very hard to be a superstar. He is for sure a star, but the "Super Stars" are among the top ten players max in the league.(in no order)(I may forget some....)Kevin GarnettDirk NowtzkiTim DuncanDwayne WadeLebron JamesKobe BryantSteve NashTracy McGrady (maybe)Shaq used to bePaul Pierce is close IMO and Vince is kinda closeI think that Gilbert has a chance to be a superstar in the future, but he has to mature as a person and player, do good things in the playoffs, and lead his team to a great record. Once he does those things consistently over at least a 5 year period, I think he could be considered a superstar.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ultimate @ Feb 14 2007, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Glad you changed your mind about his passing. He doesn't play a lick of D? LMAO, The last game against DET,in the few waning seconds who was bothering Sheed, on his chance to tie the game? Gil. Rebound? The f*ck are you smoking? For a guard, 4.7 RPG is <u>good</u>.And how come he has a high EFF rating? You don't know sh*t about Gil and the Wiz. Full of himself? He chipped a tooth during a game against Celtics, EJ was determined to limit his minutes against DET, but ended up playing 40+ mins, on 10-20 shooting, 5-12 threes, 7 Rebs, 11 assists, and 2 TOs. And it's been mentioned thousands of times that Gil's only been acting cocky lately, and I'm sure it'll die down soon. You've got to be the most immature, and illogic Mod I've ever seen. Hell, Okur's more deserving of that Allstar recognition than you being a Mod, and that's not sayin much.</div>Everything that CB4 said is true. You are just a biased fan. Gilbert is not a good defender what so ever. He gets alot of steals, but he cant guard a guy man to man worth a lick. He isnt a good help defender either. He is a pretty bad passer for a PG as well. He can pass, but what point guards can? And he is not that good of a rebounder either. Gilbert is on a team where a guy like Caron Butler can flourish in rebounding. This team gets alot of possessions, and they dont have a real consistent big men to get boards. Gilbert is not a very good rebounder, he isnt a good passing pg, and he is one dimensional. He is a good scorer, but thats about it. Stop being so biased, and turn your tone down.
Yes I think that Gilbert Arenas has turned himself into a superstar this year. He is a great scorer and can also rebound and pass the ball very well most of the time. He really has emerged as a unbelieveable scorer this year and he will only get better. Although he is a great scorer his d really brings him down because he never tries on that end and is usually just looking forward to taking a shot next time down the floor, sometimes he is bit too selfish and takes unneccessary shots. Eventually you think he will win an NBA championship he is a great player and has a lot of talent surrounding him. As his career goes on his superstar status will keep going up.
No, He is poor man's iverson. All he does is chuck, chuck and chuck. He is shooting .418% from the field and is only averaging 29 ppg. That's disgusting.
I would take Arenas over Iverson. A lot of Arenas shots come from 3 point range so that is partially why his percentage is somewhat low. Iverson actually attacks a lot but still has a low percentage because he doesn't have the strength or height to finish.
Of course Arenas is a superstar, he is a superb scorer and one of the best scoers in the league. He is a good playmaker and can make his teammates better.Do you think that the Wizards being among the top teams in the East and Caron Butler having an All-Star year happened by coincedence? I think not. Arenas has lead his team and helped in the development of Caron Butler. Arenas is a scoring machine and though his ego gets in the way at times, Arenas is one of the elite guards in the league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 15 2007, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would take Arenas over Iverson. A lot of Arenas shots come from 3 point range so that is partially why his percentage is somewhat low. Iverson actually attacks a lot but still has a low percentage because he doesn't have the strength or height to finish.</div>Um, no... Iverson finishes quite a bit at the rim. Iverson's FG% is low because he is streaky when it comes to his mid-range shooting -- when he's on, he's on... when he's off, he's off -- and his questionable shot selection. He finishes more often than not around the rim, or he gets fouled.But anyway, I agree with you in saying Arenas shoots WAY too many three-pointers. Last I checked he averages around 8 three-point attempts PER GAME. That is just ridiculous... Granted he has the ability to hit the three-ball consistently, but if he cut those in half and took a few more mid-range jumpers he would probably increase his average even more.Anyway, I still think he isn't a superstar... yet. And his recent egotistical behavior and comments don't really help his case in my eyes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Feb 15 2007, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Um, no... Iverson finishes quite a bit at the rim. Iverson's FG% is low because he is streaky when it comes to his mid-range shooting -- when he's on, he's on... when he's off, he's off -- and his questionable shot selection. He finishes more often than not around the rim, or he gets fouled.But anyway, I agree with you in saying Arenas shoots WAY too many three-pointers. Last I checked he averages around 8 three-point attempts PER GAME. That is just ridiculous... Granted he has the ability to hit the three-ball consistently, but if he cut those in half and took a few more mid-range jumpers he would probably increase his average even more.Anyway, I still think he isn't a superstar... yet. And his recent egotistical behavior and comments don't really help his case in my eyes.</div>I don't think you get it. Iverson shoots for less point than Arenas does. Since that is the case you would expect Iverson's field goal percentage to be clearly ahead of Arenas but it isn't. You're not a good finisher if you shoot 43% from the field or whatever he's doing now. Arenas is clearly more efficient than Iverson as are almost all the top scorers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 15 2007, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think you get it. Iverson shoots for less point than Arenas does. Since that is the case you would expect Iverson's field goal percentage to be clearly ahead of Arenas but it isn't. You're not a good finisher if you shoot 43% from the field or whatever he's doing now. Arenas is clearly more efficient than Iverson as are almost all the top scorers.</div>I'm not going to turn this into an Iverson vs. Arenas thread with you, but I do understand what you're saying. I will agree that Arenas shoots more jumpers than Iverson does, but to say he is clearly more efficient is going a tad bit too far. I agree he is the more efficient shooter, but not the more efficient scorer.Consider that 30% of Iverson's shots come from in the paint, and of those he converts on 57.7% of them. Compare that to 23% of Arenas' shots coming from in the paint, of which he converts 56.1% of them. Those FG% are basically equal even though 7% more of Iverson's shots are from close range.Now, 70% of AI's shots are jumpers, and he converts 44.1% of those, compared to 76% of Arenas' shots being jumpers, and he converts 46.4% of them. Again, those numbers are basically even.Arenas is shooting 41% from the field... Iverson 45% (by the way, these numbers are since the trade to Denver... in Philly he actually shot as many jumpers as Arenas does, and had a 38% conversion rate which drove his FG% down to 43%).Your point is that Arenas' 41% is about the same as Iverson's 43% because Arenas takes more jumpers than Iverson does... but whose fault is that? Arenas averages 8 three-point FGA per game, and only makes about 2.5 of them.Arenas is the more efficient and better shooter, but I don't think he is the more efficient scorer. If anything, they are pretty equal in that aspect. The only reason I would take Arenas over Iverson is because of age.Anyway... back on topic.
Is Gilbert Arenas a superstar player? Did not think so before, but now yes. I actually made a trip down to Washington Dec 26 to watch them play Memphis to watch Arenas. He, Melo, and Josh Howard are the most underrated "stars"Is he nothing more than an explosive scorer? No he can do other stuff he can pass also.Is he a great player who plays selfish basketball for his own personal fame? No he does not just play for his own personal fame.Will he ever get to the next step and possibly win an NBA title? You never know, but if he don't it won't be his fault. You need more then one guy on a team just ask future hall of famers in KG+AI.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ultimate @ Feb 14 2007, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Glad you changed your mind about his passing. He doesn't play a lick of D? LMAO, The last game against DET,in the few waning seconds who was bothering Sheed, on his chance to tie the game? Gil. Rebound? The f*ck are you smoking? For a guard, 4.7 RPG is <u>good</u>.And how come he has a high EFF rating? You don't know sh*t about Gil and the Wiz. Full of himself? He chipped a tooth during a game against Celtics, EJ was determined to limit his minutes against DET, but ended up playing 40+ mins, on 10-20 shooting, 5-12 threes, 7 Rebs, 11 assists, and 2 TOs. And it's been mentioned thousands of times that Gil's only been acting cocky lately, and I'm sure it'll die down soon. You've got to be the most immature, and illogic Mod I've ever seen. Hell, Okur's more deserving of that Allstar recognition than you being a Mod, and that's not sayin much.</div>Dude, for a PG he is not even that good of a passer. Yeah, that's right, he is a terrible defender. It seems like he doesn't even care. He is just a terrible all around defensive player. I've seen him play his "defense". 4.7 is good, but nothing to write home about. I'm just saying that scoring is the only thing he is very good at. Maybe passing, but like I said; all PG's have the ability to pass. Are you arguing that he is not full of himself? Everyone knows he is full of himself, man.Lol....haha..im allowed to have my opinion....I don't think he belongs with the NBA's elite because he only excels at scoring....
I would still consider him a superstar despite his defense and passing. He is so good at scoring it makes up for his weaknesses. Of course he shouldn't be considered the MVP or close but a top 10 player is not bad.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Feb 17 2007, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude, for a PG he is not even that good of a passer. Yeah, that's right, he is a terrible defender. It seems like he doesn't even care. He is just a terrible all around defensive player. I've seen him play his "defense". 4.7 is good, but nothing to write home about. I'm just saying that scoring is the only thing he is very good at. Maybe passing, but like I said; all PG's have the ability to pass.</div>He still plays bad D, but to say he doesn't play a lick of D, is ludicrous. And there's not many PGs whose averaging almost 5 RPG. He'll only get better defensively, everyone knows he's capable of doing so. As for passing, I can see room for improvement, but he's not terrible at it. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Feb 17 2007, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you arguing that he is not full of himself? Everyone knows he is full of himself, man.</div>If you're saying he's cocky, then you might as well say MJ was cocky. Gil's overly confident of himself much like how MJ was. Both players never doubt their skill, and both always looked like they believe they're the best player on the court no matter who they're playing. When it comes to competitiveness, Gil is a lot similar to MJ.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ultimate @ Feb 18 2007, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you're saying he's cocky, then you might as well say MJ was cocky. Gil's overly confident of himself much like how MJ was. Both players never doubt their skill, and both always looked like they believe they're the best player on the court no matter who they're playing. When it comes to competitiveness, Gil is a lot similar to MJ.</div>I don't think that is true at all, MJ never really came out to the media as much as Gilbert does and say stupid things. He predicts his 50 point game and has one of his worst of the year. MJ is the best of all time and Gilbert will never be close to MJ's level, Gilbert is way too cocky right now. He was doing amazing in the beginning of the year but he has really been struggling as of late.
gilbert arenas isnt a superstar because he hasnt proven to be clutch in the playoffs remeber he missed those two freethrows last year he can score and he's top 5 in steals but no superstar he cares about his self before the team,instead of winning games he rather have 50 points,he is a good player thogh
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ultimate @ Feb 18 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He still plays bad D, but to say he doesn't play a lick of D, is ludicrous. And there's not many PGs whose averaging almost 5 RPG. He'll only get better defensively, everyone knows he's capable of doing so. As for passing, I can see room for improvement, but he's not terrible at it. If you're saying he's cocky, then you might as well say MJ was cocky. Gil's overly confident of himself much like how MJ was. Both players never doubt their skill, and both always looked like they believe they're the best player on the court no matter who they're playing. When it comes to competitiveness, Gil is a lot similar to MJ.</div>Nobody besides Gil is that much of a douche after being cut from an Olympic team. Those comments were dumb. And the thing that bothers me is that all of the things Gil predicts are goals for himself. He seems to care more about individual accolades than winning a championship. Why not just predict a win against those teams? He said that he was better than Kobe at the same point in their careers. Well, Kobe was Shaq's sidekick. Kind of hard to score near 30 when you're the 2nd option....and Kobe played defense, and did other things....When I say he doesn't play a lick of D, I mean he is a horrible defensive player. And that's true.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (moses2121 @ Feb 18 2007, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think that is true at all, MJ never really came out to the media as much as Gilbert does and say stupid things. He predicts his 50 point game and has one of his worst of the year. MJ is the best of all time and Gilbert will never be close to MJ's level, Gilbert is way too cocky right now. He was doing amazing in the beginning of the year but he has really been struggling as of late.</div>Read my goddamn post. I ain't never said Gil's as good as MJ when it's comes to playing basketball. All I compared was he has that same competitive nature as MJ do/did. And combine that to Gil's personality, and you got people saying he's "full of himself". He's always been known to speak his mind. So when you got a real known NBA star, who's as competitive as MJ, and has this personality of speaking w/e he has in his mind, people are going to think he's "cocky". I do agree Gil's been a lot cockier the past few weeks, but he's not always been like that.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Feb 18 2007, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody besides Gil is that much of a douche after being cut from an Olympic team. Those comments were dumb. And the thing that bothers me is that all of the things Gil predicts are goals for himself. He seems to care more about individual accolades than winning a championship. Why not just predict a win against those teams? He said that he was better than Kobe at the same point in their careers. Well, Kobe was Shaq's sidekick. Kind of hard to score near 30 when you're the 2nd option....and Kobe played defense, and did other things....</div>Seriously, if you've been doubted throughout your life, you'd most likely react the way he did. And hear his side before you start talking trash. It's all over the internet, look it up. All of the things he predicted had something to do with him being cut from the USA team. All he predicted was 50 against PHX and POR, what else? Lol, everyone playing in the NBA wants to win championships, I don't know where you came up with that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ultimate @ Feb 18 2007, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Seriously, if you've been doubted throughout your life, you'd most likely react the way he did. And hear his side before you start talking trash. It's all over the internet, look it up. All of the things he predicted had something to do with him being cut from the USA team. All he predicted was 50 against PHX and POR, what else? Lol, everyone playing in the NBA wants to win championships, I don't know where you came up with that.</div>Yeah your right, he was just "doubted" when he was put on the USA Team in the first place. And he was just "doubted" when he was selected as a starter for the All-Star game. Gilbert had the opportunity to prove that he could be a big part of the USA Team, and they obviously felt that he wasnt necessary. They already had plenty of scorers, and he was needed for that team. He could have just been appreciative for the opportunity, and try and do better the next time he has this opportunity, but instead, he bitches and complains. Then, he is envious so he says that he is going to score 50 points against two of the teams....He is an immature person. Not many NBA players would have reacted like he did. Look at all the other guys that were cut....Did you hear anything about them complaining?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Feb 18 2007, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah your right, he was just "doubted" when he was put on the USA Team in the first place. And he was just "doubted" when he was selected as a starter for the All-Star game. Gilbert had the opportunity to prove that he could be a big part of the USA Team, and they obviously felt that he wasnt necessary. They already had plenty of scorers, and he was needed for that team. He could have just been appreciative for the opportunity, and try and do better the next time he has this opportunity, but instead, he bitches and complains. Then, he is envious so he says that he is going to score 50 points against two of the teams....He is an immature person. Not many NBA players would have reacted like he did. Look at all the other guys that were cut....Did you hear anything about them complaining?</div>I agree 100%... nobody else complained about being cut or not even being selected like Arenas did... I mean, Iverson was a bigger snub and he had all the right in the world to overreact, but he took the high road (at least publicly). It's alright for players to feel disrespect because that is human nature, but the difference between mature players/superstars and immature ones are that they don't put themselves above their team in their public quotes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Feb 18 2007, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree 100%... nobody else complained about being cut or not even being selected like Arenas did... I mean, Iverson was a bigger snub and he had all the right in the world to overreact, but he took the high road (at least publicly). It's alright for players to feel disrespect because that is human nature, but the difference between mature players/superstars and immature ones are that they don't put themselves above their team in their public quotes.</div>I know I still hate the people who picked players for team USA not to invite AI arguably the most popular player world wide was a joke.He should still get invited I mena people might drop out.
