Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" I here this all the time from fans, that the game is heading into a guard/swingman's league. Sure the games star scorers are mostly guards but I just don't understand this. Some people say the game is heading where bigmen have to be able to run, handle the ball and shoot...and that the game is going to be faster paced... I think this is a load of bullsh**. I don't see it or understand it at all. Just because the Suns are running and some teams are trying to follow that scheme...that doesn't mean anything...big men are just as important as ever, and will always be.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 13 2007, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I here this all the time from fans, that the game is heading into a guard/swingman's league. Sure the games star scorers are mostly guards but I just don't understand this. Some people say the game is heading where bigmen have to be able to run, handle the ball and shoot...and that the game is going to be faster paced... I think this is a load of bullsh**. I don't see it or understand it at all. Just because the Suns are running and some teams are trying to follow that scheme...that doesn't mean anything...big men are just as important as ever, and will always be.</div>It's somewhat true. But not compeltely. I agree with you, you need a good PF/C to be able to win a championship...except Jordan did it with out one...I don't see anyone within the next 5 years doing it without a dominant PF/C though.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" I think that it is somewhat correct though. Most of the big men coming out now are able to handle the ball and are much more athletic than your traditional big man. It pays to have a big man that is more versatile, and I think we will continue to see an increasing number of big guys making the jump to the league who can handle the ball, step out and shoot the mid-range jumper, and run the floor. There aren't many traditional back-to-the-basket big men left.EDIT: And not only that, but as the rules make it increasingly easier for guards and swingmen to put up points and get to the line, it will be harder and harder for the big men to get the ball unless they can run the floor. A lot of the players now prefer to run, and I have noticed that they tend to pass the ball to the big men less often.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" The problem is players grow up and want to be and 1 ballers, or Lebron James. You dont see commercials for real big men anymore. Also, the international invasion has alot to do with it. Spacing is becoming more important in todays NBA. Its as simple as that.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" I don't really agree with this too much...although it is sort of true. The Suns are a run-n-gun team....but one of the biggest reasons they are so good is Shawn and Amare's abilities as post players. Well....Shawn isn't in the post...but he is still sort of a small big man if that makes sense...
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Feb 13 2007, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's somewhat true. But not compeltely. I agree with you, you need a good PF/C to be able to win a championship...except Jordan did it with out one...I don't see anyone within the next 5 years doing it without a dominant PF/C though.</div>Yes, you still need to have a talented big man who can pound it in down low and play some D. But...there isn't as many good real centers as there used to be and most of the big men who will be in the league will need to be more athletic and be able to handle the ball though. I think we'll see less big, slow bruisers and more athletic high flyers more and more.Shawn doesn't have a post game, well, sometimes he posts up and gets that crazy floater in, but still. Amare isn't much of a back to the basket guy either even though he gets a lot of inside points. Neither are real centers though and I wouldn't call Shawn anything other than a small forward either.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 13 2007, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I here this all the time from fans, that the game is heading into a guard/swingman's league. Sure the games star scorers are mostly guards but I just don't understand this. Some people say the game is heading where bigmen have to be able to run, handle the ball and shoot...and that the game is going to be faster paced... I think this is a load of bullsh**. I don't see it or understand it at all. Just because the Suns are running and some teams are trying to follow that scheme...that doesn't mean anything...big men are just as important as ever, and will always be.</div> But big men that do what Boris Diaw does is amazing and will revolutionize the NBA. Big Men have an important role, but if you go beyond that, your real valuable to a team.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Feb 14 2007, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But big men that do what Boris Diaw does is amazing and will revolutionize the NBA. Big Men have an important role, but if you go beyond that, your real valuable to a team.</div> Players like Boris Diaw will not revolutionize the NBA, what a load, how is what Boris Diaw does 'amazing?'...because he can rebound and play PF in a wierd offensive system? Not many teams can get away with playing Diaw at PF/C. Diaw isn't even a natural bigman. He's just a good rebounding guard...like I said, Diaw would be forced playing SG/SF on most teams. Boris Diaw is just one example...look around the NBA...Tim Duncan, Shaq, Al Jefferson, Carlos Boozer, Zach Randolph, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Bynum, Chris Bosh, Jermaine O'Neal...pretty much your traditional big guys...If the NBA's changing...I don't see it.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" The NBA is changing a bit, but it is towards making the big man more athletic/well rounded. Similar to what started happenning to swingmen in '70's and '80's when Jordan hit the scene. They became more than just shooting guards/small forwards, they became players that were the most versatile on the court and could do a little bit of everything. With players like Bosh, Amare and Howard, I feel this trend is continuing, but now for big men. They can run the floor, shoot from outside (not so much Howard, but the other 2), are as athletic as anyone else on the court, can play defense on perimeter players, etc... Sure, you got your traditional big men in Duncan, O'Neal, and the rest, but big men are becoming more athletic, more well rounded, and starting to be able to do almost anything smaller player can do.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" I think it's more the league adapting to a lack of quality big men then big men being phased out altogether.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ Feb 14 2007, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it's more the league adapting to a lack of quality big men then big men being phased out altogether.</div>There isn't really a lack of quality big men. Duncan, KG, Yao, Bosh, Amare, Brand, Dirk, Howard, Boozer, Bogut, Zydrunas, Krstic, Shaq, JO, Ben Wallace, Camby, Curry and others are all quality big men. There are many up and comers like Jefferson and Bynum, and soon to be Oden. It's just that players like Dirk don't fit the mold of your generic big man, but things are changing. There isn't a lack of quality big men as this generation is one of the most talented in terms of big men. But with the natural evolution of the game, they are turning into better all around players than dominant low post presences. Whether you consider this a good or bad thing, it's true.PS- Look at the Suns. Without Amare and Diaw this team just wouldn't work. The new type of big man makes these systems work and is what is causing the change in the game to a run and gun game.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" I dont think the NBA should really change in to this whole game of guards thing. I mean, if you have a talented big men, it is going to force the other teams to play big men to guard downlow. Guys like Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, Andrew Bynum, Al Jefferson and others in the future are all going to be very good big men. There are alot of guards that are good in the NBA, but a valuable big men is more important IMO than a valuable guard. Phoenix may be a team that is dominated by smaller players, but they won't make as much noise in the playoffs as alot of you guys are going to think. I think Dallas will definitely beat them if the play them, I still think the Spurs would put up a good series, the Jazz I think would have a good chance of beating them, and thats about it in the west. BUT, I think we are just going through a phase right now. The NBA has alot of good guards...just wait a little bit.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Feb 14 2007, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont think the NBA should really change in to this whole game of guards thing. I mean, if you have a talented big men, it is going to force the other teams to play big men to guard downlow. Guys like Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, Andrew Bynum, Al Jefferson and others in the future are all going to be very good big men. There are alot of guards that are good in the NBA, but a valuable big men is more important IMO than a valuable guard. Phoenix may be a team that is dominated by smaller players, but they won't make as much noise in the playoffs as alot of you guys are going to think. I think Dallas will definitely beat them if the play them, I still think the Spurs would put up a good series, the Jazz I think would have a good chance of beating them, and thats about it in the west. BUT, I think we are just going through a phase right now. The NBA has alot of good guards...just wait a little bit.</div>Dallas also doesn't have any great low post big men, which is what I think is the main arguement coming from people that say the big man is phasing out. Dirk is a fantastic player, but his game is perimeter oriented and is not what you would consider a generic all star big man. As I said before, this league is FILLED with quality big men, but they just aren't you generic low post-only big men. They are becoming more well rounded and overall dangerous (ala Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, etc...).
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" Yeah, I know what you mean. Overtime, I think players have just become more talented, and by gaining more talent, big men have been able to develope their outside games more. But notice, teams that have good inside big men over the last 7 years or so have come down with the rings. The spurs 3 times have had Duncan and Shaq 4 times. The teams with a real inside game IMO, (and obviously a good defense) are the ones that are really going to flourish in the end, but I agree, overall alot of big men have been drifting to more mid range type players.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Feb 14 2007, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I know what you mean. Overtime, I think players have just become more talented, and by gaining more talent, big men have been able to develope their outside games more. But notice, teams that have good inside big men over the last 7 years or so have come down with the rings. The spurs 3 times have had Duncan and Shaq 4 times. The teams with a real inside game IMO, (and obviously a good defense) are the ones that are really going to flourish in the end, but I agree, overall alot of big men have been drifting to more mid range type players.</div>It has to do with team styles, though. What I mean by that as yes, while Spurs beat Suns in 04-05, Amare DOMINATED Duncan head to head. And last year, with a slow down Mavs team, Dirk led the Mavs to 2 games from a championship and he is not your ordinary big man.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 14 2007, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Players like Boris Diaw will not revolutionize the NBA, what a load, how is what Boris Diaw does 'amazing?'...because he can rebound and play PF in a wierd offensive system? Not many teams can get away with playing Diaw at PF/C. Diaw isn't even a natural bigman. He's just a good rebounding guard...like I said, Diaw would be forced playing SG/SF on most teams. Boris Diaw is just one example...look around the NBA...Tim Duncan, Shaq, Al Jefferson, Carlos Boozer, Zach Randolph, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Bynum, Chris Bosh, Jermaine O'Neal...pretty much your traditional big guys...If the NBA's changing...I don't see it.</div>Yes it will revolutionize the NBA. If the big men will always have a position, then most people coming out of college that are 6'8" or taller can just spend there time pumping weight, getting as big as Shaq, and use that as dominance. That is not skill, but if you had a player like Ben Wallace's size, who could handle the ball, pass and has good shooting range, whats not to like? It helps the team overrall.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Feb 15 2007, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes it will revolutionize the NBA. If the big men will always have a position, then most people coming out of college that are 6'8" or taller can just spend there time pumping weight, getting as big as Shaq, and use that as dominance. That is not skill, but if you had a player like Ben Wallace's size, who could handle the ball, pass and has good shooting range, whats not to like? It helps the team overrall.</div> I don't even know what the hell your talking about anymore.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" No, there will still be big men. The only difference is that the star big men will be athletic, versatile Power Forwards who can put the ball on the floor, shoot it, and score downlow instead o Centers who merely dominate the post with their post moves, and such.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" Big men are deff important I agree.If AI had Shaq he would have won a few titles.
Re: "The NBA is phasing out the bigman, it's a run and gun game" Your traditional pivot man has become extinct.
