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  1. ripcityboy

    ripcityboy Well-Known Member

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    Rest of the league.....

    "Yeah, duh."

    This board:

    "HOW DARE YOU DISCREDIT THE GREATEST BLAZER WHO EVER LIVED ON THE PLANET EARTH AND IN THE COSMOS!" "ALL YOU CYNICAL BASTARDS WILL SEE WE ARE DAMNED LUCKY TO HAVE BOTH DAME AND CJ AND THEY'RE EVERY BIT AS GOOD AS WALL AND BEAL.... (wipes tears away) "HCP SAID THAT DAME SEEING EVERYTHING WE SAY SO YOU ARE ALL ACCOUNTABLE FOR KILLING HIS SELF ESTEEM!"
     
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  2. HomerLovesKoolAid

    HomerLovesKoolAid I have a well-known member.

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    I.Sac.Crap.
     
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  3. Mediocre Man

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    How dare he. CJ and his bottom 5 defensive rating for a shooting guard is a great defender.

    I took one trick pony as offense only. Like Dame, he has zero interest in playing defense.

    But it's not blowing rose dust up the fans asses, so he sucks, or has an agenda. CJ couldn't actually suck as a defender....right?
     
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    OK, I'll bite. Show me the metrics.
     
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    FWIW, if you don't like DRTG . . .

    DWS:
    1. Westbrook 3.6

    51. CJ 0.9
    56. Dame 0.8
    68. Nelson 0.4



    DBPM (defensive plus/minus)
    1. Westbrook 4.4 (wow)
    2. Beverly 1.9
    3. Rondo 1.5
    4. Harden 1.3
    5. Paul 1.1

    64. Dame -2.5
    65. CJ -2.5
    66. Nelson -2.5
    67. Booker -2.8
    69. Thomas -3.4
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I agree that I don't think the Dame/CJ pairing will work if we ever want to be contenders.
     
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    It's tough because I love both players, but unless Stotts gets creative on defense, and your 3, 4, 5 and most of your bench can be shut down guys, I'm not sure how it could work.
     
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    Don't forget the 6'2" Vinnie Johnson "The Microwave". He was the third guard in that 3-guard rotation. Without Vinnie (and hey - what do you know? - some terrible officiating against Portland), Detroit likely does not win the Finals against Portland.
     
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    More than that, I think he's saying that CJ nut only doesn't defend, but also doesn't distribute, doesn't really play well off the ball, doesn't really run the pick and roll...he can get his own shot, and that's about it.

    Not saying I share that opinion, but I think he's saying more than just "CJ can't defend".
     
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    The Pacers will eventually trade PG. I'd wait for this to happen.
     
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    Omg I knew they were bad but damn this bad? Worse than Harden huh?

    So tell me why do we like the dame and Cj pairing moving forward?
     
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    I will say this again. You can win with both. The talent around them outside Nurkic isn't much. Surround them with talent. Get some defensive minded players in there.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    No, it's just that when some talking head with a grudge says the exact same thing MANY posters here have need saying for the last two years, it hardly qualifies as news. Why is he flogging this dead horse now with the Blazers winning 5 of their last 6? Is it possible he actually does have an agenda and is butt hurt about being fired from Talking Ball? Otherwise, why in the middle of Nurkmania, with the whole team playing better does he feel it necessary to shit on everyone else's enjoyment of the team.

    Oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to. Never mind.

    BNM
     
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    Great. Another thread about this argument.

    Couldn't you just bump an old thread? I mean just the other day you bumped a random game thread from 2 years ago.
     
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    Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that all our players, not just the 2 guards, would suddenly look better at defense if Stotts were replaced with a conventional NBA coach.
     
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    I wonder, though... If then we get mad when we lose games because we dont then have enough scoring? If 3 players are all doing the scoring.... Its all dependent on who moves out... Its a theory, though.
     
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  17. BigGameDamian

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    Or might you just be afraid to let one of them go?
     
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    These sorts of statements are really empty without naming specific options.
     
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  19. Cippy91

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    No I am not afraid of it. I just think it can work out. Dame and CJ are so close and have a chemistry and they are some of the best offensive players in the game. Defense is bad, I get that but we succeeded with them last season when everybody was playing better. This season guys kinda stopped playing as good. Plus you gotta think it's already in the organizations minds that this is the two they want going forward. I could see them exploring trading CJ after next season if whatever they have planned doesn't work out. Look how much Nurkic alone has helped the team. Switch out some other guys too, lets see what else we can get going
     
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    Using defensive rating to compare individual players and their defensive worth seems pretty foolish to me. I love stats, and the more the merrier, IMO. It all, along with the eye test, helps. They help. But then people look at a simple stat like defensive rating and go oh, look, they're the worst, or they're better than X, worse than X. Pau Gasol is #8 currently in DRTG. 8th! Show of hands of who thinks Pau Gasol is a top 8 defender in the league currently? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Last year LaMarcus Aldridge was #7 in DRTG. Somehow he turned into a top 10 defender just by leaving Portland? Even better was Jared SUllinger last year being #10. DRTG said that Aldridge and Sullinger were better defenders than Draymond Green.
     
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