OT Gunshots Fired Outside Houses of Parliament in London

I guess that explains the sounds of shots:

 

Precisely why I fell like a storm is coming. We've got king peanut in the office and his almond followers grabbing life by the pistachio.

 

on the other hand if a fundamentalist nutjob uses violence while hiding behind medieval religious fanaticism...it's the nutjob, not the religion that practices violence. Islam is not a religion of violence....old interpretations of it are from paternal attitudes that go back a thousand years...

 

Just one example from the Quran, there are over 100 I could quote.

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

[Note: The verse says to fight unbelievers "wherever you find them". Even if the context is in a time of battle (which it was not) the reading appears to sanction attacks against those "unbelievers" who are not on the battlefield. In 2016, the Islamic State referred to this verse in urging the faithful to commit terror attacks: Allah did not only command the 'fighting' of disbelievers, as if to say He only wants us to conduct frontline operations against them. Rather, He has also ordered that they be slain wherever they may be – on or off the battlefield.

 

i agree. much like Christianity was used as an excuse for the crusades but if you read the bible in full you'll see god does not command anyone to commit violence now that the redeemer as redeemed. many Muslims interpret jihad as a personal growth. attack the negative aspects of your life and conquering them internally. you could relate it to a christian trying to be more "Christ like." the internal war on sin as paul describes in the book of romans. the problems arent with the religions, the problems are from lunatics miss representing the religions and creating a cult following of easily manipulated people. most churches in america for instance subscribe to a formula of emotionally charged song service, followed buy a public offering, using peer pressure to get donations, topped off with an ego stroking feel good message. none of the ritual is commanded in the actual bible. it's just a bunch of manipulative ass holes making money off peoples natural want to be spiritual. Unfortunately people are lazy and would rather follow a persons teachings than reading their holy book themselves.

 

Very good sir. I have spoke with several and can verify your assertion.
But that does not alter the assessment. He does not appear to be Asian except in the sense that everything east of the Bosphorus and south of Urals is sometimes considered
Asia, in a minor way.

 

Your senses are working well. Perhaps the evaluation needs some work, but trust your senses.

 

You need to do some study River. Perhaps some first hand up close experience too.

 

The primary distinction here is that there are significant numbers of Islamic fundamentalists teaching that jihad against the infidels is commanded by the Quran. You don't find similar teaching by any mainstream Christian church. A 2013 Pew study found that most Muslims did not endorse violence as a means of defending Islam, but the results were dramatically different in various regions around the globe:


http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

When you have millions of believers supporting violence, unscrupulous leaders willing to exploit those believers, and an Internet to spread the hate and radicalize people around the globe, you have a situation that's totally different than the occasional "Christian" nutjob going off on some crazy shooting spree.

 

This ^ is the word.

 

No...you need to stop stereotyping all Muslims into fundamentalist Muslims who are at war......I know Muslim people...I guess Muhammed Ali was a boxer but he was a peaceful man. Credit where credit is due...you my friend tend to draw lines in the sand ....most serial killers are middle aged white men but I won't lump you into their subgenre to fit my narrative....if you think most modern Islamic culture is rooted in medieval practice...perhaps you should study up a bit. It's as if someone were to call the KKK an all inclusive representative of Christian majority belief.

 

Well if you can't understand me then try reading eblazer. Then try this ex Navy fellow.
https://aifdemocracy.org/our-work/our-team/dr-jasser/

 

I read his article....sounds like a peaceful Muslim navy vet to me....notice he seperates Islam from RADICAL Islam? Sort of like I did.....

 

Read some more of his work, other too. Can't remember her name but a lady from Ethiopia I think, then another in Canada.
Jasser isn't separating Radical Islam from Islam! He is pointing out the real issues. While the Radicals are the soldiers of Jihad, and our immediate problem, they all come for the people of Islam (damn near all). While we are now at least gearing up to face up to that threat, the soldiers of Jihad will continue to come from the people of Islam, probably for as long as we have the will to kill them.
What we need to do is aid the people that would reform Islam, bring it into the modern era. Then perhaps we will not be force to kill, and then do some more.
If you do take the time to study the Koran, the Hadiths, you will find the religion does teach exclusiveness and the superiority of Islam over everything else. So the Jihad people have that to believe in. I doubt we change them, but perhaps their people, the ones they came from, can change what is taught, and perhaps that is new scripture. But they must write it.

 

That is way too shallow, listen up, do some work! You are smarter than this.

 

Some homework for the shallow end of your Muslim view...read modern muslim chapter...the site is Muslims against violence and terrorism...before you start thinking all Germans are Nazis...consider the modern Muslim culture that is not passing out poison koolaid in the name of God
http://www.freemuslims.org/

 

Trouble is River my man, 10 or 20 Percent of the 2 billion nice Muslims who differ and want a Caliphate and are willing to walk the terrible walk to get there, is a hell of a lot a trouble.
Have you ever heard a Muslim Pirate speak about the worth of his captive Kafir? They don't talk like the nice folks you know.

It surprises me how long this can continue, they kill people and you and many other tell us how nice they are and how crude I am. It reminds me of... well maybe after your next post.