I was having a mini-debate with Tony on AIM. He said that George Karl needs to go and that maybe Denver needs a black coach. He thinks that players may respond better to a black coach, because black coaches have a natural "pep to their step." He was saying that a lot of black players would respond better to black coaches.I think that is such bullsh**. If a player respects the coach and respects his philosophy, the player doesn't give a sh*t what color he is. I can't even believe that is even a topic, I think it's a load of crap.What is your take on this issue?
I think SOME black players respond better to black coaches, you're making a big deal out of nothing. It's true, some players have openly admitted to it.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He was saying that most players would respond better to black coaches.</div>I never said most players, ever.
Fine, I edited it to "a lot of black players." Either way, I still think it's bullsh**. Want an example? How about Dennis Rodman. He was as troubled and F*cked up as they come, he made it with Phil and Chuck Daily didn't he?
ballaholic1989: do you think some black players respond better to black coaches?BrewCityBuck2005: sure...some black people don't respond well to white people in power positions.ballaholic1989: do you think some black players respond better to black coaches?Air2Blaze: yesAir2Blaze: definitelyballaholic1989: do you think some black players respond better to black coaches?Shake N Bake NR: ummmm Yeah maybe some . Just cause they might feel they get more of a break.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Fine, I edited it to "a lot of black players." Either way, I still think it's bullsh**. Want an example? How about Dennis Rodman. He was as troubled and F*cked up as they come, he made it with Phil and Chuck Daily didn't he?</div>Again, SOME black players. I can name plenty of black players who performed well under white coaches, I said some of them respond better to black coaches... Not all. Also, Dennis Rodman would play well under any coach. He was his own boss basically, he would stay out as late as he wants and still come to the games and grab 15 rebounds. I don't think they ever held him to a curfew because he still performed to his best ability the next day. Don't forget, he lived with white people for portions of his life.
A small percentage of black players probably don't respond as well with a white coach, we all know a lot of black people have hostility to white people, especially when that white person is in a power position over them...Do they still listen? Yes, but it's there. I still think that a vast majority of black players do fine know matter who's coaching... Dennis Rodman hardly had racial problems, a white family took him in when he was in college in Oklahoma...they helped him through racial problems. I read about it in his book.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Feb 21 2007, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A small percentage of black players probably don't respond as well with a white coach, we all know a lot of black people have hostility to white people, especially when that white person is in a power position over them...Do they still listen? Yes, but it's there. I still think that a vast majority of black players do fine know matter who's coaching... Dennis Rodman hardly had racial problems, a white family took him in when he was in college. I read about it in his book.</div>You are right about Rodman, now that I think of it, I did see that on Beyond the Glory. But either way, do you think Rodman respected that white family any less just because of the skin color? Hell no.So what, some black people may have a little extra bounce in their step, but come on. The majority of players wouldn't give a damn what color their coach is. Sure, there are some guys out there that might respond better. Some people have different views. But if you respect a coach more or less because of the skin color, you are ignorant as hell.
Skin Color doesn't make a difference, I think the reason why some players respond to black coaches better is because the black coaches in the NBA are younger and relate better to the players. coaches like Avery Johnson, Isiah Thomas, and Nate McMilian have played with some of the guys they are coaching now, and most the other players grew up watching these guys. while a lot of the white coaches are old and don't really relate well to the younger generations. How many of todays players have seen Pat Riley, Don Nelon, Phil Jackson, or Jerry Sloan play? not many of them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Feb 21 2007, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Skin Color doesn't make a difference, I think the reason why some players respond to black coaches better is because the black coaches in the NBA are younger and relate better to the players. coaches like Avery Johnson, Isiah Thomas, and Nate McMilian have played with some of the guys they are coaching now, and most the other players grew up watching these guys. while a lot of the white coaches are old and don't really relate well to the younger generations. How many of todays players have seen Pat Riley, Don Nelon, Phil Jackson, or Jerry Sloan play? not many of them.</div> I don't think it matters if they have seen their coach play or not, it's just basketball their coaching...I think players relate just fine to Riley, Jackson and Sloan...etc...
I really dont think it matters much what so ever the skin color of a coach. If the coach is genually good, and knows the game, I dont think it matters what skin color he is. I think that it depends on whether the Coach is a veteran and whether he has proven himself before. Greg Popovich has earned his players respect, and his best player has been black all this time, and Phil Jackson has earned his players respect even though his best players have been black. Now, some black players might respond to a black coach better, just like white players might respond to white coaches more. There is still racisim on that goes in the world, but just not as much....
If you think they do respond better, show some proof or provide some examples. I will agree with CelticsBalla until I see proof that they respond better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Camby23Land @ Feb 21 2007, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you think they do respond better, show some proof or provide some examples. I will agree with CelticsBalla until I see proof that they respond better.</div>Not saying I agree or disagree one way or the other, but how about Larry Brown out in New York... Isiah Thomas in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Feb 21 2007, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not saying I agree or disagree one way or the other, but how about Larry Brown out in New York... Isiah Thomas in.</div>That doesn't have to do with the color of Brown or Isiah's skin, though. That has to do with coaching philosophies. Larry Brown is very strict, very structured, and it's either his way or the highway. Isiah let's them play a little more free. That's why they respect him more, not because of his skin color.
I think it can effect some players, but not to a extent that a player would say "I think we need a black coach, the white one isnt working". A perfect example for it is when Thadeuss Young was choosing between Memphis and Georgia Tech. He ended up picking Georgia Tech because he and his father decided it would be better for him to play under a black coach. So its there, but I think by the time your in the NBA, there are so many races and different origins that eventually you dont even notice much if a person is black, white or even european.
The Nuggs have played 6 games with Melo + AI together, and now JR is injured. Coaching is not the problem. The team is doing pretty well considering injuries, and suspensions.
