Inside Access: "Nurkic is that 'third guy'"

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  1. BlazerCaravan

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    Sure thing!

    Player 1 - 52.4 TS%, 28.1 USG%, 15.5 TOV%
    Player 2 - 54.5 TS%, 25.6 USG%, 18.0 TOV%
    Player 3 - 56.4 TS%, 33.0 USG%, 15.0 TOV%
     
  2. PtldPlatypus

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    Supposedly, Denver didn't include the pick until they learned that Philly was offering Okafor to us for Plumlee, so they needed to sweeten the deal. So I would say that the pick is absolutely a part of the deal, not a separate transaction.
     
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    At what point did we sweeten the pot with $$? And why?
     
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    See, that pretty much tells me what I suspected, that player 3's PER is inflated by his role on his team. I'd think player 2 would actually be a better fit with Dame and CJ.
     
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    Couldn't tell you, nor do we even know how much cash was sent. As to a reason, perhaps to offset the difference in salaries? I have no idea. All I know is what was reported regarding the chronology of the inclusion of the pick vis-a-vis Philly's offer.
     
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    I'd be interested in all three, but as an armchair GM, I'd also need to know their ages, injury histories, current salary and contract situation.

    I'd also want to know of Player 3 is total ass hat and one of the biggest head cases in the league.

    BNM
     
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    Player 2 is obviously Nurkic.

    Player 1 is the same age as Nurk, and Player 3 is 26.
     
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    I'll just say it: Player 3 is Boogie.

    Player 1 is also Boogie, at 22.
     
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    Player 3 is Boogie
     
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    How does getting lucky equal getting credit?
     
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    The other guy to look at in this comparison is also 22.

    19.6 PER, 119 Ortg, 102 Drtg, 56.7% FG, 68.4% FT, 10.9 reb per 36, 1.9 blk per 36, 59.6% TS, 11.7% TOV, 17.2% USG.

    Arguable that this guy would have been a better fit even than Nurkic.
     
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    That low usage rate makes me wonder if he can maintain that efficiency in a larger role... but everything else looks enticing.
     
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    It doesn't. Learn sarcasm, then post.
     
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    Not an offensive guy--only 6.5 FGA and 9 points (in 23.5 minutes) per game.

    This would be Nerlens Noel in Dallas.
     
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    I would say only that we need Nurk's offense as much as his defense; without an offensive threat on both sides of the pick and roll there's no improvement for Dame and CJ. I still like him best.
     
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    My assumption as to what happened is something like this:

    1) Neil wants to make a big FA splash, eventually finds ET.
    2) He matches Crabbe, and know he'll need to flip him.
    3) He re-signs the rest, knowing he'll need to flip Butters (or possibly ET).

    4) He knows the cost of the above is losing Plums for nothing. The cost of re-signing Crabbe and then trading him for a 1st rounder is Plums. By doing this, he's essentially trading Plums (and Crabbe) for that Crabbe 1st rounder.
    5) However..... if he could trade Plums and get a first rounder, then he'd effectively get 2 1sts for Crabbe and Plums.
    6) If he could get more, than all the better. He got that 1st rounder and Nurkic.

    7) So, once he trades Crabbe, he'll have traded Crabbe + Plums for 2 1sts and Nurkic instead of losing Crabbe for nothing and keeping Plums - pretty damn good GMing, IMHO.
    8) I'm pretty sure he had all of this in mind (except for how good Nurk would be) BEFORE he matched Crabbe.

    9) The game's not over. He still has to flip Crabbe and trade Biebs. Then he can go about smoothing out the roster. A process which should be much easier with 3 1st round picks in the fold.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    He also knew that with C.J.'s extension coming up, last summer was the one and only time he'd have cap space to use to sign free any agents. He blew his load on Turner and Ezeli, apparently the best he could do.

    With such a young roster, we also had a LOT of guys (Crabbe, Leonard and Harkless) all coming off their cheap rookie contracts at exactly the same time. He, no doubt, planned on using their Bird Rights to go over the cap and re-sign all three. I don't think he counted on BRK giving Crabbe that ridiculous offer sheet. In the end, he spent right up to the luxury tax threshold to retain those three.

    I agree he knew all along, with using all his available cap space to sign free agents, giving C.J. his extension and retaining his own RFA's he wouldn't be able to also retain Plumlee this summer, without moving Crabbe. Moving Leonard alone would not have been enough to retain Plumlee. Meyers makes about $10 million a year. Plumlee will get far more than that - something closer to Crabbe's $18.5 million. So, had he not flipped Plumlee for Nurkic, this summer would have come down to either trade Crabbe or let Plumlee walk for nothing. In the end, he got a hell of a lot in return for a guy we were going to lose anyway.

    BNM
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    I liked the trade when it was made. I am a fan of Plums, but our team needed a defensive upgrade badly and we got that in Nurkic. Looking at the trade retrospectively, he's an absolute steal!
     
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