Rumor Obama says he didn't "order" surveillance on Trump and Gang.

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  1. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    1. June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.


    2. July: Russia joke. Wikileaks releases emails from the Democratic National Committee that show an effort to prevent Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) from winning the presidential nomination. In a press conference, Donald Trump refers to Hillary Clinton’s own missing emails, joking: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing.” That remark becomes the basis for accusations by Clinton and the media that Trump invited further hacking.


    3. October: Podesta emails. In October, Wikileaks releases the emails of Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, rolling out batches every day until the election, creating new mini-scandals. The Clinton campaign blames Trump and the Russians.


    4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.


    5. January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.


    6. January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.


    7. January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the exisentence of “a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.


    8. February: Mike Flynn scandal. Reports emerge that the FBI intercepted a conversation in 2016 between future National Security Adviser Michael Flynn — then a private citizen — and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The intercept supposedly was part of routine spying on the ambassador, not monitoring of the Trump campaign. The FBI transcripts reportedly show the two discussing Obama’s newly-imposed sanctions on Russia, though Flynn earlier denied discussing them. Sally Yates, whom Trump would later fire as acting Attorney General for insubordination, is involved in the investigation. In the end, Flynn resigns over having misled Vice President Mike Pence (perhaps inadvertently) about the content of the conversation.


    9. February: Times claims extensive Russian contacts. The New York Times cites “four current and former American officials” in reporting that the Trump campaign had “repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials. The Trump campaign denies the claims — and the Times admits that there is “no evidence” of coordination between the campaign and the Russians. The White House and some congressional Republicans begin to raise questions about illegal intelligence leaks.


    10. March: the Washington Post targets Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reports that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had contact twice with the Russian ambassador during the campaign — once at a Heritage Foundation event and once at a meeting in Sessions’s Senate office. The Post suggests that the two meetings contradict Sessions’s testimony at his confirmation hearings that he had no contacts with the Russians, though in context (not presented by the Post) it was clear he meant in his capacity as a campaign surrogate, and that he was responding to claims in the “dossier” of ongoing contacts. The New York Times, in covering the story, adds that the Obama White House “rushed to preserve” intelligence related to alleged Russian links with the Trump campaign. By “preserve” it really means “disseminate”: officials spread evidence throughout other government agencies “to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators” and perhaps the media as well.


    In summary: the Obama administration sought, and eventually obtained, authorization to eavesdrop on the Trump campaign; continued monitoring the Trump team even when no evidence of wrongdoing was found; then relaxed the NSA rules to allow evidence to be shared widely within the government, virtually ensuring that the information, including the conversations of private citizens, would be leaked to the media.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ma-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/
     
  2. crandc

    crandc Well-Known Member

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    It's the old magician trick. Dangle a big shiny object and everyone looks at it and misses the actual trick.

    While everyone looks at this made up bullshit, what is ignored:
    Still no ACA replacement plan
    Immigration dragging parents from homes, school bus stops, away from their crying children
    North Korea fired four missiles
    Bringing environmental practices not to pre-Obama but to pre-Nixon days. After all, Russia is heavily polluted to the point where average lifespan has declined as a result and that's the role model for Trump.
    Bring back lead bullets, when lead waste kills millions of animals every year.
    The Keystone pipeline will be built - with Russian steel. So much for buy American! The steel is ordered from a Russian company whose billionaire owner is a close ally of Putin. His wife is good friends with Ivanka Trump, who invited her to Trump inauguration.

    Nope, nothing to see here. Let's investigate imaginary Obama wiretaps.
     
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  3. Jade Falcon

    Jade Falcon Just to piss you off.

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    So 8 out of 9 of your whining points were bullshit. Try again.
     
  4. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I was scrolling through OT and I caught a glimpse of the title as it went past. I thought it read: Obama says he didn't "order" surveillance on Trump Gangbang
     
  5. MarAzul

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    Part of speed reading is filling in the gaps from your life experience store.
    Your's is a little suspect.
     
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    I suppose Ms Rice fits the prediction pretty well. Hell she didn't even need a warrant.
     
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    It is fairly obvious that these surveillance laws need to be corrected. So I would like to see Susan Rice given immunity for this fuck up in exchange for the straight scoop on several
    Obama scandals;

    What is the reason she went before all the Sunday shows to tell the cock and bull store about the movie that caused Benghazi.

    Who come up with the crap about the movie being the cause.

    Who initiated the IRS targeting conservative organization.

    If the answer is no, about 30 years will be a fair trade.
     
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  8. MarAzul

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    I don't think impeaching a past President has ever been discussed before. It might be time. Call it, education for those to come.

    After all, the rise in the oceans didn't slow either.
     
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  9. H.C.

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    Just like her points, a few of your counter points seems to be half truths. But it's politics! Who care about truth! as long as you can yell louder, and get the last word right?
     
  10. MarAzul

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    Perhaps there is a little evidence leaking out.
     
  11. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Am I alone in not caring whether Obama wiretapped Trump? Or whether Russia tried to influence the election? I mean really, I honestly don't see why either is that big a deal.

    As long as Trump wasn't actually harmed by the "spying", and as long as the Russians didn't actually physically change any of the vote totals, it's all completely irrelevant.
     
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    Bill Clinton was kind of pasty.
     
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    Obama did spy on Trump Tower. And my house, and yours.

    There's a reason the NSA built a massive data warehouse in Utah - to store every bit of everything they can obtained by spying on us all.

    Thanks to WikiLeaks, we know this.
     
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    I have absolutely no idea what Trump meant by being wiretapped. And his tweets about it were embarrassing. When Trump actually tells us what he meant, we can decide whether it is worth caring about or not. As for Russia -- it doesn't matter whether they succeeded in changing the outcome or not. That's like saying attempted murder's not a big deal, because the murder attempt was unsuccessful. If we "don't care", it only encourages the behavior more. And all people should care, because they might be the target next time.
     
  15. MarAzul

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    Still doing it.
     
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    I find it amusing in some sense that response has gone from emphatically denying Trump's accusation, even up to last week when Rice said she knew nothing of any surveillance on Trump's people, to the current stand. We only did what we have a right to do.. Big Big jump. I suspect we will learn before this drama closes, that these Politicians will use the data NSA colectes in anyway they can, when ever they think it might help them in their agenda.

    It surprises me to see anyone post, they don't care. I think we need to end the spying since it is obvious there are no protections, anyone could be harmed.
     
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    The Utah center was known. There were pictures of it on the news as it were being built. And what was being collected on us by the NSA came from Snowden before WikiLeaks.
     
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    Obama did spy on Trump tower.

    Everyone knows it except CNN. They saw the buildings in Utah being built, but don't talk about it when making it look like Trump lied about being "wiretapped."

    What's clear is that some in the Obama administration specifically sought collected communications (and found nothing incriminating at all).
     
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    Nothing else to say. Nothing else to see, except for the crimes they committed in the attempt.
     
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