Event Friday is Big! (NBA draft drawing)

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  1. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    The DEN coach and GM both said they gave away the pick because they already have a roster full of young players they are trying to develop and don't really have the room or need for two more rookies (they still have their pick at 14). So, that's why they were willing to part with the MEM pick (which was 23rd at the time of the trade).

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    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    This was mentioned at the time of the trade, but Denver didn't want to "cannibalize" their roster, meaning they had enough young players they were high on that already didn't see any playing time, so adding more made no sense for them. For example, Malik Beasley and Juan Hernangomez. And they didn't just give away the pick. We sent over a pretty significant amount of cash. We essentially bought the pick, not much different than when we used to buy picks in the past (i.e. Rudy Fernandez)
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    The market for first round picks is worth significantly more than 3 million dollars in 2017 vs 2006.

    You can hardly find good second rounders for that amount of cash anymore. We did not "buy" the pick, it was part of the value Olshey extracted out of the Plumlee for Nurkic deal.
     
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    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    Might want to check your math on that. We also included a second rounder. So add that to the 3 million and you've basically got the worth of the 23rd pick in the draft (a little over 3.5million)
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    First rounders are worth way more than 3.5 million. Go find me the last first rounder that was traded for the equivalent of 3.5 million.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I've looked for one, but I never actually saw a report on how much cash we actually included. Are you sure it was the full 3.5M?
     
  7. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    I don't now the exact amount we sent DEN, but it wasn't $3 million. The annual limit on cash considerations is currently $3.5 million, but we also sent out cash in the Napier and Layman trades. In Layman's case, it was $1.2 million. That was on draft day last year, so I'm not sure if it counts against our 2015-16 limit, or our 2016-17 limit (I suspect the former). I can't seem to find the amount of cash we sent to ORL for Napier, but I recall it was more than half a million. That was in July, so it definitely counts against our 2016-17 limit.

    BTW, the cash limit goes up to $5.1 this summer. So, more of Paul's cheddar for Neil to throw around.

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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    No, it couldn't have been. At the most it was $3.5 million minus whatever we paid ORL in the Napier trade.

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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    According to Zach Lowe, it was $2.85 million:



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    You realize that first rounders don't all make the same amount of money, right?

    And teams can't outright trade cash for a first round pick anymore, per the CBA.

    But for example, last year golden state payed a little over $2million for Patrick McCaw.

    So let's say we traded the value of a mid second rounder (2m) plus the near 3m in exchange for the Memphis pick.
     
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  11. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    We gave Allen Crabbe $85 million dollars, Evan Turner $70 million and Meyers Leonard $41 million that all count 100% against the salary cap and luxury tax. Why are you making such a big deal about the fact that we gave DEN $2.85 million in cash that doesn't count against either the cap or the luxury tax? Seems kind of silly to me.

    In the end, we gave DEN $2.85 million to move up from a late 2nd round pick to the 19th or 2oth pick in the first round.

    And, we also got Jusurf Nurkic and saved some money on his salary compared to Plumlee's both this year and next.

    Are you really that concerned with Paul Allen's checking account balance?

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    What the actual fuck are you talking about? My only point is that Denver didn't just hand us a first rounder, we payed for it.
     
  13. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    And my point is: So what?

    You've been going on and on about this like it somehow matters. We all know they included cash considerations in the trade. Big deal.

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    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    How about you mind your own business? I answered a post directed at me about it. Your two cents isn't needed everywhere.

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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Sorry, I thought this was a public forum on the internet where everyone was welcome to participate. Thanks for setting me straight on that

    Lighten up Francis...

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    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    Chiming in on things with "so what" is not participation, and I'm not interested in it.
     
  17. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Apparently, you are.

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    That actually makes sense looking at their roster. They are basically trying to develop entire backcourt: Beasley, Murray and Mudiay have only been in the league 1-2 years and Harris is also a very young player. Additionally they have Jokic, a very young player as well, leading the team and Hernangomez fighting for minutes. Fitting another young player would have been tough. If anything, they will probably hit the free agency in the Summer to go after some of the older players. With huge amount of cap space available they could offer great deals to 2-3 players comfortably. Paul Millsap has to be around the top of the list.
     
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    So when is this happening
     
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    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

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