<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brando @ Feb 25 2007, 04:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here's a poll taken for the 2006-07 season by the NBA GM's. Even after Wade won a finals MVP, Kobe wins by a lotWho is the best shooting guard in the NBA?Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 71.4%Dwyane Wade, Miami 21.4%Tracy McGrady, Houston 3.6%Michael Redd, Milwaukee 3.6%</div>Well obviously people are biased in favor of Kobe. We'll see how well the Heat do without Wade. I bet they do worse than the Lakers did without Kobe.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 24 2007, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lol at you mentioning Udonis Haslem and T-Mac. T-Mac guarded Dirk for 1 or 2 possessions. Last time Haslem guarded Dirk he had no answer for him. Dirk stops himself as he occassionally goes in slumps but this year he hasn't had that problem as he gets better every year.</div>Guess you didn't watch the '05 playoffs, maybe you should do that before speaking. T-Mac did a GREAT job on Dirk, holding him to under 40% shooting and around 22PPG. The game on last Thursday he only guarded him for a few posessions, but he was hounding him and Dirk couldn't score on him. Even I believe Doug Collins (or Steve Kerr, their voices sound the same) said that he does the best job on the Rockets on Dirk (including Battier, who is a great defender, but T-Mac is suited better for Dirk).Hmm, the Finals is a helluva time to go into your occasional slump
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 25 2007, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wade yes and Lebron no. I'll bet the Heat don't make the playoffs. That is how valuable Wade is to the Heat.</div>Who even cares. You take Kobe away from the Lakers and they dont make the playoffs....What is your point?Lets go over things that Wade does better, and things that Kobe does betterShooting: Kobe by a landslideDriving: Wade is betterFree Throws: KobePassing: I say a tie, but alot feel WadeRebounding: KobeDefense: KobeClutch: KobeExperience: KobeExplosivness: KobeKobe just has the ability to take over games better than Wade. He doesn't have to get to the line and to the basket to score whereas Kobe can score from anywhere on the floor. If Kobe wants to pass the ball like a point guard, he can do it, and he can shut down the oppositions star if he needs to as well. To me, this isnt even a contest....
I was talking about this year. No one has stopped this year consistenly. It hasn't mattered up to this point who has been put on Dirk as he is having a career year. Dirk has figured out how to post up smaller players and so now he is unstoppable.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 25 2007, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was talking about this year. No one has stopped this year consistenly. It hasn't mattered up to this point who has been put on Dirk as he is having a career year. Dirk has figured out how to post up smaller players and so now he is unstoppable.</div>Again, Dirk still is still fairly one dimesnional as a scorer. Is he benefited that he is taller than most players who guard him and they can't contest his jumpers? Yes. But he still has that flaw in that when a player 6'9'' or over who is long enough to contest his jumpshot, he has a whole lot of trouble scoring. Kobe doesn't have any weakness as a scorer, and can score in any way he wants to depending on who guards him. That is what stats don't show, and why Kobe is the best scorer in the league.
Nitro, how can you say that he is a one-dimensional scorer? Sure, he takes alot of shots from the midrange, but he is a good 3 point shooter, he can go up with either hand, and he is great at getting his defender in the air and going to the hole. Sure, he is blessed by being able to shoot over the opposition because of his height, but he is not one dimensional at all....But I will agree with you that Kobe doesn't have any weaknesses as a scorer. He can do it all....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Feb 25 2007, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Does Bryant win as much as Nash? No. It's true he won quite a lot a while ago, but he was not the clear best player on his team (Shaq was just as good, probably better at the time). Kobe is the most talented player, but not the best or most valuable.</div> Eh, your comparing apples and oranges...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Feb 25 2007, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nitro, how can you say that he is a one-dimensional scorer? Sure, he takes alot of shots from the midrange, but he is a good 3 point shooter, he can go up with either hand, and he is great at getting his defender in the air and going to the hole. Sure, he is blessed by being able to shoot over the opposition because of his height, but he is not one dimensional at all....But I will agree with you that Kobe doesn't have any weaknesses as a scorer. He can do it all....</div>He is a one dimesnional scorer because, despite becoming a bit more of a post player, is still restricted to 10ft and out. He is a jumpshooter. And when he does post, he is 10ft and out, and the 2 moves he has is pump fake and jumpshot/fadeaway jumper. Outside of jumpshots, he doesn't do much as a scorer. Now, he does this very efficiently most of the time, but there will be times when he has someone guarding him that he has a hard time shooting over or is having an off shooting night. When this happens he has no other ways to score. He has no great low post moves, and isn't fast or athletic enough to get past defender for slam dunk.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Feb 24 2007, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>EASILY the best player in the league. Here is why: -Scoring: Easily the best score rin the league. He showed exactly why last year. Double, triple, quadruple team him, he can score. He is the best scorer because he is a GREAT jumpshooter, very good at slashing, and has some of the best footwork in the league along with great athleticism to basically get open no matter how he wants. he can hit some of the most ridiculous shots you'll ever see. He can post up as well. Overall, no one in the league is as overall talented scoring the ball as Kobe Bryant. -Clutch Ability: The most clutch player in the league. Not only is he one of the most dependable to hit the last shot and make last play, but he can also shutdown the opposing superstar in the 4th if need be (as seen this year with Wade and in 02-04 vs T-mac). He has, time and time again, taken over 4th quarters and totally carried his team to victory. -Leadership: For a LONG time I was a person who questioned Kobe's leadership. He was always controversial in LA, and he had a reputation of being too quiet and anti-social. In last 2 years he has transformed this image. He is now a great person on and off the court, will have dinner and drinks with other players, is vocal on and off the court, and you can always see him encouraging and helping out others. He led a crap team with no flow offensively or defensively to a near upset vs the Suns (Yeah yeah, they lost, but looks at his game 6...he was not the reaosn they lsot that series). This year, without Odom he kept team well above .500 and he will likely lead that injury filled team to a 6th seed in the tough West. -Playmaking: Not the best playmaker in the world, but it has greatly improved. He can get people open shots, can make the fancy pass, and makes the necassary pass. Now, more than ever, he is willing to take over this role. -Defense: Much better defender than the likes of Wade, T-Mac, AI, Bron, Nash, Dirk, Melo, etc.... While he doesn't show his ability to its highest peak every night during regular season, he still has that ability to lockdown a superstar when need be (mostly in the 4th quarter). Even when he is playing defense half-assed he is still better than those other players. Intangibles: The guy has 3 rings and tons and tons of other accomplishments like scoring champ, all star game MVP, robbed of last year's MVP, etc...</div> Right on the money. There isn't much else that needs to be said. Kobe does it all on BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR. So many stars do it all offensively, but the same can't be said about them on the defensive end. Kobe will embarrass you offensively and still have the ability to lock you down defensively. You can't say that about most "stars" in the NBA. Kobe Bryant is the 2nd best 2-guard to ever play the game. The closest thing we have ever seen to Michael Jordan, and we won't see another guy like Kobe Bryant for a LONG time. Not in my lifetime.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Feb 25 2007, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He is a one dimesnional scorer because, despite becoming a bit more of a post player, is still restricted to 10ft and out. He is a jumpshooter. And when he does post, he is 10ft and out, and the 2 moves he has is pump fake and jumpshot/fadeaway jumper. Outside of jumpshots, he doesn't do much as a scorer. Now, he does this very efficiently most of the time, but there will be times when he has someone guarding him that he has a hard time shooting over or is having an off shooting night. When this happens he has no other ways to score. He has no great low post moves, and isn't fast or athletic enough to get past defender for slam dunk.</div>And how many guys does he come across that can shut him down? I can think of about.....zero. Bruce Bowen is the best perimeter defender in the NBA, and Dirk torches him everytime he plays him. I think above you said something about T-Mac playing good defense agaisnt him, but he isnt going to do good agaisnt him everytime. Dirk causes so many matchup problems agaisnt the oppostion that it is ridiculous. If he has a big man on him, he will either take him out to the 3 point line (where he is very good), or he can up fake him and go right or left AND finish very well. If he has a small man guarding him, he just shoots over him. And why question him if he does it so well and so efficiently?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dirk admitted that Kobe is the best on the world.</div>And Kobe admitted Dirk is the best. So did Nash.
Dirk is not a one dimensional scorer. That is ridiculous to say that. Dirk can take players to the 3 point line, shoot the midrange shot over smaller players, and drive to either pass or shoot depending if the defense helps. You need to watch more Dirk games to see that he is aggresive on the offense and doesn't always settle for jumpers. His most used move now is that midrange shot with his back to the basket but he can take a lot of players off the dribble and has an amazing shooting ability.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Feb 24 2007, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>EASILY the best player in the league. Here is why:-Scoring: Easily the best score rin the league. He showed exactly why last year. Double, triple, quadruple team him, he can score. He is the best scorer because he is a GREAT jumpshooter, very good at slashing, and has some of the best footwork in the league along with great athleticism to basically get open no matter how he wants. he can hit some of the most ridiculous shots you'll ever see. He can post up as well. Overall, no one in the league is as overall talented scoring the ball as Kobe Bryant.-Clutch Ability: The most clutch player in the league. Not only is he one of the most dependable to hit the last shot and make last play, but he can also shutdown the opposing superstar in the 4th if need be (as seen this year with Wade and in 02-04 vs T-mac). He has, time and time again, taken over 4th quarters and totally carried his team to victory.-Leadership: For a LONG time I was a person who questioned Kobe's leadership. He was always controversial in LA, and he had a reputation of being too quiet and anti-social. In last 2 years he has transformed this image. He is now a great person on and off the court, will have dinner and drinks with other players, is vocal on and off the court, and you can always see him encouraging and helping out others. He led a crap team with no flow offensively or defensively to a near upset vs the Suns (Yeah yeah, they lost, but looks at his game 6...he was not the reaosn they lsot that series). This year, without Odom he kept team well above .500 and he will likely lead that injury filled team to a 6th seed in the tough West.-Playmaking: Not the best playmaker in the world, but it has greatly improved. He can get people open shots, can make the fancy pass, and makes the necassary pass. Now, more than ever, he is willing to take over this role.-Defense: Much better defender than the likes of Wade, T-Mac, AI, Bron, Nash, Dirk, Melo, etc.... While he doesn't show his ability to its highest peak every night during regular season, he still has that ability to lockdown a superstar when need be (mostly in the 4th quarter). Even when he is playing defense half-assed he is still better than those other players.Intangibles: The guy has 3 rings and tons and tons of other accomplishments like scoring champ, all star game MVP, robbed of last year's MVP, etc...</div>Basically sums it up.
I guess the laker homers will not by in that Dirk is better. I will not change my opinion on this along with laker fans. All the weakness Dirk supposedly had in the past he has mastered this year so far which shows how hard he works on his game. Of course he will never by a player like Shaq that backs down to the basket but he doesn't need to. I've yet seen that has Dirk number this year. The rockets are the closest thing but still not quite.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 25 2007, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess the laker homers will not by in that Dirk is better. I will not change my opinion on this along with laker fans. All the weakness Dirk supposedly had in the past he has mastered this year so far which shows how hard he works on his game. Of course he will never by a player like Shaq that backs down to the basket but he doesn't need to. I've yet seen that has Dirk number this year. The rockets are the closest thing but still not quite.</div>Dude...Dirk is not as good as Kobe. Almost everyone including fans of other teams in this thread say Kobe is the best in the league except YOU. You are the homer here. Kobe is the best player in the NBA right now. Get that through your skull. The man can score at will and easily the best scorer in the league,he is the most clutch player ,ultimite leader, alot better defender than Dirk, deserved MVP last year. Basically what Nitro and CelticBalla were getting at.
Yes, I would definately say so. He is easily the best offensive player in the League in my opinion. He has a very nice shot, he is an amazing ball handler, he can drop it over anyone, he can drive, shoot off the dribble. And this year, he has shown that he is also a skilled passer if he wants to be...His defense is what clearly puts him over guys like Wade, Dirk, and Lebron..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Feb 25 2007, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude...Dirk is not as good as Kobe. Almost everyone including fans of other teams in this thread say Kobe is the best in the league except YOU. You are the homer here. Kobe is the best player in the NBA right now. Get that through your skull. The man can score at will and easily the best scorer in the league,he is the most clutch player ,ultimite leader, alot better defender than Dirk, deserved MVP last year. Basically what Nitro and CelticBalla were getting at.</div>You don't even watch Dirk I bet. He is killing everyone this year by taking over 4th quarters at will. He is much better than last year even. Shooting at a career high 50.2% from the field. Nothing statistically except point total favor Kobe and Dirk's team is 46-9. Much better than what Kobe's team is right now. It's not even close. Kobe wasn't even the best player on that 3 championships team. It was Shaq. Kobe also couldn't lead his team to the playoffs the first year Shaq left. Talk about how much Shaq helped Kobe's game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 25 2007, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I guess the laker homers will not by in that Dirk is better. I will not change my opinion on this along with laker fans. All the weakness Dirk supposedly had in the past he has mastered this year so far which shows how hard he works on his game. Of course he will never by a player like Shaq that backs down to the basket but he doesn't need to. I've yet seen that has Dirk number this year. The rockets are the closest thing but still not quite.</div>Hey who did Kobe score 62 points against last season in just 3 quarters?Kobe Bryant 62Dallas Mavericks 61
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ Feb 25 2007, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hey who did Kobe score 62 points against last season in just 3 quarters?Kobe Bryant 62Dallas Mavericks 61</div>Kobe sure owned Dirk in the finals last year. Oh wait the lakers lost in first round.
