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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    The reports you quoted above are incorrect. It can't be a team option if there's a partial guarantee. Feel free to assume that they're the same, but they're materially different. I'm not interested in attempting to browbeat you into accepting facts.
     
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    The news reports say it was a team option, including the latest one saying Olshey won't pick up Ezeli's option.
     
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    Team options don't include partial guarantees, as we all know exist on Ezeli's contract. Therefore, the news reports have the information factually incorrect, as we know does happen upon occasion. Often these reports are written by people with insufficient knowledge of underlying details (like the CBA), or written for the same (such as the majority of the basketball-watching populace who don't understand or care about the difference between a team option and a partial guarantee).

    Regarding the tradeability of partially-guaranteed deals with a June 30th exercise date, go back and look at Ryan Gomes' contract when the Blazers traded Martell Webster for him.
     
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    Gomes not an ending contract or was waived.

    http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/06/blazers_plan_to_release_ryan_g.html

    Team president Larry Miller said the Blazers will probably release newly acquired forward Ryan Gomes in order to avoid taking on the remaining three seasons of his contract.
     
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    It all depends on if Ezeli had an Option, or if he was on a 2 year deal with a partial Guarantee. I remember over the summer it was announced as a Team option for the 2nd season, in which case he can not be traded.
     
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    It seems like if he was tradable, NO wouldn't be declining the option, or at least would wait until the last minute. It seems foolish to announce he's going to decline the option when he's tradeable (keep the powder dry!). He's be great ballast in any deal, especially to the receiving team that gets to refuse the option and save $6.7M in cap space after.
     
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    I think Og is moving out of range (upward)

    picks for today (subject to my whims):

    Anigbogu
    Patton
    Pasecniks
    [Swanigan on deck]

    I don't see any wings I like better than what we have. They just seem like cheaper/younger versions of the same thing.
     
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    Ferguson is intriguing.
     
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    I don't see the appeal. Averages 4.6 pts, 1 reb, < 1 ast per game in 15 mpg through 30 games. Yes, he's 18 playing in a foreign country, but he is horribly inefficient and extremely turnover prone. His PER was 5.4. His net rating is -13. His high school stats aren't all that appealing either. I don't get why he's rated so high.

    Going by stats and what I've read of him, but regardless of what his ceiling is in the NBA, he's years away from even producing in Australia.
     
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    But that's three centers and we still have Nurkic.
     
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    Yep those are definitely the red flags for sure. I think he's an "Intangibles" kind of prospect in my eyes. Long quick, defensive skills decent shooter based on stats. IIRC one article suggested the team didn't put a lot of effort into him knowing he was spending a year there then coming back to the states for the NBA.
     
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    Why would the Blazers want to take back even more salary? They're ridiculously far into the luxury tax as it is. Can you conceive of a trade the Blazers would actually want to make in which Ezeli's contract-as-ballast would actually be necessary? Crabbe for Carmelo, maybe?
     
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    He must have done something right somewhere to be mentioned as a potential lottery pick? There must be dozens of players with stats better than him yet he is supposed to be a lock for a top 20 pick while volume scorers can go undrafted. Marcus Keene will probably get ignored at 30 PPG.
     
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    Which is why it's worrisome. DX's writeup on him halfway through this past season makes him seem like a longshot (very weak numbers but has skills to contribute) but they have him at 15. They say that there is hope for him to finish his season strong, but he clearly didn't by looking at his game log. Weak FT% and weak rebounding are the biggest concerns. Those are usually indicative of a good prospect, and will translate to any level. For a guy who apparently struggles to create looks for himself, his 31% 3pt shooting, and lack of really anything of value make it really hard for me to get excited about his potential. Even his highlight videos on youtube are blah.

     
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    I just don't see an intriguing big man that will rise like Maker did. There's no way that J.Collins, Anigbogu, Patton, Leaf or Lydon get picked over Ntilikina, Isaac, or Markkanen.

    This is an unusual draft in the fact that you have a lot if certainty in the top 10 and most of them are guards. Even if there were a lot of guards projected to go top 10, uncertainty would shake things up. There's no uncertainty this year. Ntilikina and Isaac have noticeable talent and measure well. Markkanen is one of the best shooting PFs in NBA history, and a perfect pick for MIN. Monk, Fox, Tatum, nor Smith will fall past 10.

    The only big I can see jumping into the top 10 is Z.Collins, but that's it. There will only be 1 or 2 bigs drafted in the top 10.
     
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    The same things said about Ferguson could be said about Hartenstein imo.

    I going to put my trust in our draft evaluators but I personally like either of the Collins' (one not happening), Jackson, Swanigan, OG and Lessort.

    I like the last two the most (besides the one that isn't happening at the beginning).
     
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    Scouts are going off what they saw at Hoop summit (he hit like 7 threes in 20 mins) and another elite prospect game thing that Im too lazy to look up rn. He has impressed when in situations like hoop summit is what im getting at and what scouts are relying on. I think its like the mudiay situation a couple years back. Didnt go to college and played overseas instead and scouts are just ignoring statistics from the year spent abroad.
     
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    I looked this up just to compare.

    Mudiay averaged 18/6/6 on 48/34/57 splits in China.
    Ferguson is at 4/1/1 on 38/31/60 splits.

    Just not gonna buy the hype on this dude. Derrick Jones Jr last year seems like a better prospect, and that dude is trash. Hell, Patrick McCaw is better. No way I'm taking him #15.
     
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    I didn't say they'd take back more salary.

    Ezeli and whatever for a traded player exception would be nice, and certainly doable.

    Any deal where $7.7M is needed and the recipient wants the cap space in the end.
     

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