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Ike is intriguing as a defensive C to develop, only 18 with great length and NBA ready body. Be interesting to see what if any "skills" he has and how he works out, he might be interesting with the 20 pick depending on how the workout process goes

 

Hmmm

High motor
Defensive tenacity
Hard worker

6'7" vs 6'8"
7'1" wing vs 6'11.5" wing
8'9" reach vs 8"8.5" reach

That's Draymond Green vs Jordan Bell. Gotta get him

 

Ike or Giles would be good pickup at 20. I believe either on them could come in and backup Nurk. I am still leading to Giles right now due to he also move over to the 4. But for me to pick Giles he has to pass his physical by the doctors with flying colors. We don't need a repeat of Festus situation like last year. It might scare Olshey away even consider Giles.

 

I'd much rather find 6'9" - 6'10" guys with freakish wing spans and fat asses to bang down low. The closer you get to 7' the more injuries seem prevalent.

 

Caleb Swanigan
6'-8.5", 7'-0" wingspan, and the biggest fat ass in the draft. He is an excellent rebounder.

 

I thought the problem with him was that he doesn't play defense. I wouldn't mind taking a shot on him with the last pick though just to find out.

And FWIW, his wing was measured at 7'3.5", with a 9' standing reach. Not bad. I like that he has back to the basket skills and can hit the three.

 

I hadn't really thought about that. Of course Bell didn't have nearly as many assists and is not a three point shooter, but he did improve his FT shooting drastically in the last year. Was Bell in a more restrictive environment?
Here's some stuff about Draymond Green and how important attitude is.
Green fell victim to the standard talk-yourself-out-of-him evaluation that often happens to “low upside” upperclassmen, including here on DraftExpress: “Isn't quick or athletic … Too small to play power forward ... Too slow to defend small forwards.” There is always someone younger and more explosive to be had in the draft and while these players have theoretically superior “upside,” the bottom line is that you typically end up with a fringe rotation player at best, particularly outside of the lottery. With production being a crapshoot in this range, why not bank on the “upside” of a player with off-the-charts intangibles? -

Green's greatest measurable traits are both his “Dominance”, (88th percentile) and “Team Identity”, (91st percentile) ratings. These categories are defined as “being attentive to others, unpretentious, assertive, uninhibited, and group-oriented.” Out of over 900 players in the SA database, Green ranks fifth for being a “Rainmaker”, a quality of many overachievers who have the natural ability to connect with others, gain their trust, and align their goals with those of the team. “Rainmakers” are also defined by their “Internal Motivation”, (91st percentile) but Green didn't enter college with that mindset. -

After four collegiate seasons, Green's progression was undeniable. Per Synergy Sports Technology, after relying on pick-and-roll and cuts to score a bulk of his points as an underclassman, Green eventually flipped the script and saw his usage and production rise down on the block and behind the arc. Green's dramatic points per possession increase on isolation plays are unheard of for his position. Green came to school as a pudgy, undersized center and left as a ball handling, passing wizard and a 38% three-point shooter. As Jonathan Givony wrote in a 2011 scouting report, “there is not a more skilled and versatile power forward in the country, as Green can score, rebound, and pass the ball at an elite level on any given night.” Still, Green's lack of a true position, uninspiring athleticism, and average lateral quickness was a problem, which is why it was “tough to project him as an adequate NBA defender.” This helps describe why he wasn't a lottery pick, but it doesn't explain why he was only projected as a late-first or early-second round selection. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Draymond-Green-5859/ ©DraftExpress

 

Yeah but what separates Green from other forwards is his combination of solid handles, passing and 3 point range. (To go along with his great D)

Bell has the high motor and potential on D, but not the rest. I loved him as a Duck, but I still would scream in horror at him when he tried to lead a fast break.

 

Neil was interviewed at the combine. Some good information here.

When asked if his gut tells him if we will not have 3 rookies coming into camp.

"No it doesn't really."

"We've been rebuilding based on Lillards timeline. It's whatever the best decision long term for the franchise is, if that's 3 rookies, it's 3 rookies. If that's an aggregation of picks to get an impact player, that's what it will be"

When asked about using the picks to get a veteran player

"We have the luxury of doing either"

"Had the youngest team last year, and youngest in playoffs last two years."

"We can be more patient, have a longer runway. Not a matter of urgency, all our players are on long term contracts or we control their rights, so we're building long term. The end game is to hopefully win a championship in Portland, if we can accelerate that process because we have 3 picks in a deep draft in which the picks are coveted, and we can get a player on a timeline from a team that's maybe going in another direction we'll absolutely push our chips in and do that, but if its about finding more stars to join our young guys with Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and they are out here, then that's what we will do"



http://www.nba.com/video/2017/05/11/20170511-nba-draft-combine-2

 

Been saying for a while that I see only two rookies from the draft on our team next year if I am looking into my crystal ball. Pick moved for player, picks to move up for higher pick, or Euro stash are all possibilities.

 

Nice statline against Non-NBA bigs.

 

I feel like Olsheys a bit off on his approach to the draft. Too much "timeline (career arc)" talk.

 

I'm worried that Olshey is gonna trade for an average veteran starter near 30.

If he's willing to give Evan Turner $17M a year, who knows what he'd be willing to trade for other middling vets.

 

Ike has a freak body BUT he still only averaged 4/4 in college... Vonleh has a somewhat similar body, was far more impressive in college and look what he is after three NBA seasons. Do we really have the time to go down that route? We need ready now guys.

 

Jonathan Givony

✔@DraftExpress
Jordan Bell's 2.56 shuttle run time is the fastest in NBA Combine history. Amazing for a big man. Full DX profile: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jordan-Bell-70316/ …

 

If Bell could shoot from 17+ (3 for 20 on the season) then he would be a late lottery pick. He has that kind of talent otherwise.

 

I'm starting to come around on a Bell+Allen 2nd round if we end up trading down.

I know I've hated on Bell a lot, but he still has a stand out skill and outlier athleticism. Not many 2nd round prospects have that combo.

 

That's the biggest thing for me. He doesn't do much offensively and how well will his dit m defense translate?

Definitely the hardest player to peg in this draft.