Merged: The Draft Thread For Stuff About The Draft Including Thoughts About The Draft

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  1. Mediocre Man

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    I repeat it because more people bring it up
     
  2. Destroyer of Worlds

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    Sure seems like we were an improved defensive team with him on the floor, as the guards funneled to him and he averaged quite a few blocks. Appears it did help our backcourt and helped take the load off them offensively.

    Seems like he provided spacing for not only Lillard & McCollum, but the rest of the guys as well. He was a great passer out of the post. Consistently found shooters, cutters which led to those dunks and increased bench efficiency. Harkless specifically was much better and Aminu as well.

    Having NURK start at center undoubtedly helped our bench. Changes rotations, lineups, added versatility and much better defensively. It also allowed us to play 5 scrubs less on the court together as with 3 scorers (dame, cj, NURK) you can always have one in the game and you can run an offense through NURK for short periods.

    And NURK is the scorer in the front court.
     
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    Minstrel Top Of The Pops Global Moderator

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    A top-ten pick wouldn't have fixed all those things, either, and that complaint (not tanking for a top-ten pick) is what I was addressing. Nurkic quite possibly will have more impact than most of the top-ten picks.
     
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  4. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    What good came from being swept by the Dubs?
     
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    Imagine adding a PF with a half way decent 17ft ish shot to this team. (several in this draft look to be better than the improving Vonleh) This would open up the paint even more for Nurk and the guards. Add to that a backup defensive Center/PF etc and we have a much better team than last year. No more wide open lanes to a lay in every time down the court. (Bell's defensive instincts and chase down blocks are a perfect fit with our small guards)

    The future is bright for this team!
     
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    Exactly. I don't see the draw. I guy who is supposed to be able to shoot, is athletic, but has bad handles so can't really use it.
     
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  8. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    We got to see that we can hang with the best team in the league when we have Nurk, even when he's far from 100%.

    It was also his first playoff experience. He only played briefly, but he's less likely to be overwhelmed by the experience next year.

    Would you have rather we kept Plums, missed the playoffs and had the 10th and 26th picks, instead of Nurk, the 15th, 20th and 26th picks?

    Nurk is younger than some of the players in this draft and better than any of the bigs in this draft. We got him, and the 20th pick as compensation for moving down a few picks and out of the lottery.

    Making the playoffs was the direct result of adding a 22-year old difference maker. I'm surprised some people see that as a negative.

    BNM
     
  9. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Nurk, no playoffs and move up one spot. Some don't think one spot in the draft makes a difference, I disagree. Rather go shopping with $100 than $75.
     
  10. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Nurk (and the 20th pick) was the prize. Making the playoffs was a side effect.

    You keep overlooking the fact that we also got the 20th pick in the draft in the Nurk trade. Would you rather go shopping with $100 or $75 + $50?

    BNM
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Poor analogy. It's more like, would you rather go shopping with $95 and a freezer full of steaks and ribs, or $100 and an empty freezer?
     
  12. Orion Bailey

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    If More =Mediocre, then I guess you are right....

    I was gonna rebuttal, but you guys said it just fine. :)
     
  13. PDXFonz

    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    I like his ability to make contested shots as well as his 3 point shooting ability. Ball handling is something he can work on at the next level, Crabbe has improved in that regard but at this point what you see may be what you get, it's all about room for growth and development which I feel like Ferguson has a lot of. He seems like a hard worker and a team player who would pick up on lessons taught by the coaching staff and our veteran players.

    Ferguson is also much more athletic than Crabbe, he's an explosive dunker who in time could improve his handling allowing him to drive lanes.

    The combination of his size, shooting ability, and work ethic make me feel like he can develop to a star.
     
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    This was supposed to be included in the above post referencing, "you guys". :)
     
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  15. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Nurk == BosnianBeef?

    BNM
     
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    Never been a fan of making the playoffs makes you better. Maybe if you are a HS team, but these guys know how to ball. The current roster always wants to make the playoffs. Never want to be told that somebody NOT on the roster could make them better or win more. None of it matters in my opinion, the addition of Nurk is so big, I've said on here we will be so much better next season even if we stick with the current roster because of him. Very excited to see him healthy and out there.
     
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    One pick difference at that point in the draft isn't particularly large--certainly not one-third extra value as you suggest with your grocery money values. $100 is a little better than $98, but the benefit gained from losing the extra $2 is seeing your favorite team in the playoffs. That's not worth taking a massive hit to the team's future for, but the team didn't take a massive hit to the future--it took an imperceptible one.
     
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    hang as in hang out off the court? or...? cause on the court that was far from the case.

    Playoff experience is a bogus reward that doesnt mean shit

    False equivalency cause we had to move plums didnt have a choice in the matter. Glad we got nurk but... "playoffs?! we talkin' playoffs?!"

    Too soon to tell and moving out of the lottery is a big deal dont act like it's not. A lotto pick is worth 2 of our three at least, so this is a poor argument.

    We made the playoffs because all the teams around us sucked and we just sucked less at the worst possible time and played some shitty teams at home. Nurkic or no Nurkic we probably win the same amount of games maybe a difference of a game.

    Overall not a great reward for one of the worst records in basketball for 80% of the year. We were a bottom 5 defense and a top 10 offense most of the year. Which coincidentally happens to be the exact recipe for grandma's favorite home style basketball purgatory. The reason people see the whole situation as a negative is because we are capped out with just bad players and the only shot we have is to draft a difference maker because nobody is buying neil's snake oil and coming here in free agency. So at the end of a just miserable season we are rewarded with a pick of 50% of the value and the hope that maybe we can sustain our hot finish to the year. Does that sound in any way familiar or am I just having a crazy bout of deja vu?
     
  19. Sarni

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    So between Nurkic, #15 and #20, and #14 alone, are there actually people who prefer the latter? Why?
     
  20. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    That's also a really good point. So to apply that to HCP's analogy, would I rather go shopping with $100 and my kids in tow, or shop with $98 by myself?

    Not a tough call.
     

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