<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (carolina_kid22 @ Mar 11 2007, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I see you watch stats, and probably couldn't tell your ass from a whole in a ground when it comes to basketball, but if you was to actually watch the rookies you would realize he is the best of the scorers. He was in college, and he was here. Not everyone has a good rookie season, but come out and do good the rest of their careers. As far as moves, and who has the most scoring moves, no one in this draft has as many scoring moves as Morrison. That's why Michael Jordan picked Adam Morrison, because he is the scorer of this draft.</div>I dont watch stats, but when you miss an average of 8 shots out of 13 a game, somethings wrong. Good scoring moves? Who gives a f*ck if it misses half the time? Adam Morrison was a good shooter and scorer in college, but not in the NBA. Also dont say, 'not everyone has a good rookie season' and then say he is the best scorer in the draft.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Mar 11 2007, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont watch stats, but when you miss an average of 8 shots out of 13 a game, somethings wrong. Good scoring moves? Who gives a f*ck if it misses half the time? Adam Morrison was a good shooter and scorer in college, but not in the NBA. Also dont say, 'not everyone has a good rookie season' and then say he is the best scorer in the draft.</div>It's the truth, just because someone is having a rough time shooting as a rookie does not mean that they are not good scorers. Take a look at Dirk Nowitzki and Kobe Bryant, who was both having a rough time as rookies. They still had better moves than almost all the other rookies, and has turned out well. Often times when you have good moves, and you can get open, your shot just isn't falling means they are still adjusting to the NBA ball and stuff. Add to that half way through the season they have changed balls on him, it's going to be rough for rookie scorers. That's just basketball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (carolina_kid22 @ Mar 12 2007, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's the truth, just because someone is having a rough time shooting as a rookie does not mean that they are not good scorers. Take a look at Dirk Nowitzki and Kobe Bryant, who was both having a rough time as rookies. They still had better moves than almost all the other rookies, and has turned out well. Often times when you have good moves, and you can get open, your shot just isn't falling means they are still adjusting to the NBA ball and stuff. Add to that half way through the season they have changed balls on him, it's going to be rough for rookie scorers. That's just basketball.</div>So hes still not the best scorer, if he is still 'adjusting' case closed. Oh By the way, both Dirk and Kobe shot better from the field.
Adam Morrison is the best scorer...for now. But Randy Foye, Rudy Gay, Bargnani are all probably going to be better "Scorers" just because of the way they play and their abilities as athletes.
I don't entirely agree with S2S, but saying that Morrison wasn't a great pick is not a terrible statement. Morrison might get better, but there's also a great chance that he won't. For every Dirk or Kobe, there are 50 or so prospects that never turned into anything great. If every player did turn out great like them, there wouldn't be a need for a draft. Also, Kobe and Dirk were both bench players when they started out. Morrison doesn't have that luxury. Dirk's rookie year was the lockout year, so once again, the two are incomparable. It's just a different situation all together. And just because MJ thought Morrison is a good player doesn't mean a damn thing to me. Morrison was a great scorer in college, but this isn't college. It's a different game in a way and should be treated as such. You have to face it that he might not ever be a great player. You can think that he may improve, but don't compare him to Dirk, McGrady, or Kobe. That's just stupid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Mar 12 2007, 03:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't entirely agree with S2S, but saying that Morrison wasn't a great pick is not a terrible statement. Morrison might get better, but there's also a great chance that he won't. For every Dirk or Kobe, there are 50 or so prospects that never turned into anything great. If every player did turn out great like them, there wouldn't be a need for a draft. Also, Kobe and Dirk were both bench players when they started out. Morrison doesn't have that luxury. Dirk's rookie year was the lockout year, so once again, the two are incomparable. It's just a different situation all together. And just because MJ thought Morrison is a good player doesn't mean a damn thing to me. Morrison was a great scorer in college, but this isn't college. It's a different game in a way and should be treated as such. You have to face it that he might not ever be a great player. You can think that he may improve, but don't compare him to Dirk, McGrady, or Kobe. That's just stupid.</div>Maybe if you could read a little better, I didn't once compare them as players. I used them as examples of people that did not do well as rookie's, that went on to be good players. As for Mcgrady, all I used him as an example of someone that doesn't score as many as others in the league, but he is still a top scorer. In no way did you see me compare playing styles, stats or anything. I just used references of past players that had rough times as rookies, and overcame those rough times. Don't be calling me stupid, because you a have hard time reading, and figuring out the difference between examples and comparisons. As for raptorfan, just because you shoot a low percentage does not mean a whole lot. These other guys are different types of players than Adam Morrison, they are going to shoot a better percentage. They don't shoot from as far away, they attack the basket a little more because they don't have the all around scoring ability to score from anywhere on the floor that Adam Morrison has. Your attackers are going to shoot a better percentage than your shooters are usually. As far as scoring packages, who has the most complete scoring packages and who can do the most to put the ball in the basket, there isn't one in this draft class as good at that as Morrison.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>compare1 [kəmˈpeə]verbto put (things etc) side by side in order to see to what extent they are the same or differentcompare2 [kəmˈpeə] verbto describe as being similar to</div>When you said that Dirk and Kobe turned out to be better after their rookie year, you were using them to show how Morrison could be the same. That's a comparison. Saying that McGrady is a good shooter that also doesn't have a high ppg is a comparison, because you are trying to show how there is similarities. I didn't say you compared stats or playing styles. That was your own misinterpretation. I don't have trouble reading, but you apparently have trouble with understanding the English language.I also love how you argued semantics instead of actually talking about my argument. It just shows what kind of poster you are.
I'm sorry CarolinaKid, but Brandon Roy is scoring just as much as Adam Morrison, in as many ways as Adam Morrison, shooting a much better percentage than Adam Morrison, getting to the rim/foul line more than Adam Morrison....Brandon Roy can shoot and get to the rim, he's a more versatile threat on the offensive end. I don't see how you think Morrison is a better scorer. Imagine what Brandon Roy could have put up at Washington if he didn't have a good team around him, Morrison is a good scorer, but come on.
Could it be that S2S isn't an idiot? :happy0144:Just face it, Roy would benefit Charlotte more than Morrison in like every way possible except ugliness. And considering Roy is already doing quite well(better than a number of vets statistically), it's easily safe to say that the risk/reward is more in favor of him if you look at rookies.
We did pretty well. Shawn Williams has a nice future and is showing some promises. He's still got a while to go though. I'm very dissapointed that we didn't draft Marcus Williams. I remember sitting in front of the TV thinking for sure that we were going to draft him since Jamaal is so bad. Then we took Shawn Williams. Getting rid of James White was a terrible move.
Yeah, Larry Bird is a god damn idiot for taking Shawne Williams (who was by most counts a late 1st/early 2nd) over Marcus Williams. I will never understand why they picked him when they had so much depth and a future starter in Granger... :no1:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Mar 12 2007, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, Larry Bird is a god damn idiot for taking Shawne Williams (who was by most counts a late 1st/early 2nd) over Marcus Williams. I will never understand why they picked him when they had so much depth and a future starter in Granger... :no1:</div>Danny Granger and Shawn Williams can play shooting guard, small forward, and power forward so the idea of them interfering with each other is not a problem. Besides Larry Bird doesn't read that kind of mock draft. How is that supposed to help you? Why don't you let the guy who made the mock draft draft for you? Who cares who some college junkie thinks you should pick? Larry Bird know just as much or more about the players he scouts as some internet college basketball follower who rights mock drafts does.I'm mostly happy with our picks, just dissapointed that we didn't take Marcus Williams instead.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Mar 12 2007, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Danny Granger and Shawn Williams can play shooting guard, small forward, and power forward so the idea of them interfering with each other is not a problem. Besides Larry Bird doesn't read that kind of mock draft. How is that supposed to help you? Why don't you let the guy who made the mock draft draft for you? Who cares who some college junkie thinks you should pick? Larry Bird know just as much or more about the players he scouts as some internet college basketball follower who rights mock drafts does.I'm mostly happy with our picks, just dissapointed that we didn't take Marcus Williams instead.</div> Shawne Williams isn't quick enough to play SG, isn't strong enough to play PF. He's a SF. He's never going to play consistant minutes outside the SF position because he doesn't have the skills to play PF/SG.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Mar 12 2007, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shawne Williams isn't quick enough to play SG, isn't strong enough to play PF. He's a SF. He's never going to play consistant minutes outside the SF position because he doesn't have the skills to play PF/SG.</div>Gosh, where's Memphis Fan when you need him? :sighs:Anyway, Shawne Williams can play sg and pf. It's just about the matchups. If he's going against someone he matches up against well then the posistion does not matter.
But who needs shawne williams when you have danny granger racking up 2 blocks and 2 steals a night, right PFF?
im hereI agree Birds ideal pick was Marcus Williams with Tinsley hurting so much, but I remember watching a interview before the draft and Bird was talking about one special player he and a couple other teams wanted alot. He said if he was there, hes was going to take him. And after that draft, he said Shawne Williams was that player. As far as potential on what Shawne Williams can become, hes can be the Antoine Walker whos smarter. The passing skills, shooting skills, solid rebounder and a very good defender. He cant play SG until he gets quicker...which he will. But weight is overrated when it comes to playing the PF position. Shawn Marion is about 220 and plays PF and hes only 6'7. Shawne Williams would be best to play at SF, but there isnt a problem with him at PF...because if you havent noticed, if your a big man with muscle..your a center these days. Power forwards arent as big as they used to be. I think Bird is taking Shawne slow, simply because of development. If he had stayed one more year at Memphis, he wouldve been a lottery pick easily. But Bird is seeing him as a steal because of they bring him along correctly, he can be that good.btw, Danny Granger can play SG
DEFINATELY!Lakers got Jordan Farmar, an obvious steal at that pick who has played well all year though he has recently had trouble getting off the bench because no rookie ever succeeds with Phil as the head coach but he has proven ready to overtake the PG position next season and be a stable part of the Lakers future.Also, they picked up Mo Evans in maybe the best draft day trade there was....WOW.^That's for last eyars draft,obviously not anywhere near all time just wanted to clear that up but, yeah!^
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Afflarmar @ Mar 12 2007, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>DEFINATELY!Lakers got Jordan Farmar, an obvious steal at that pick who has played well all year though he has recently had trouble getting off the bench because no rookie ever succeeds with Phil as the head coach but he has proven ready to overtake the PG position next season and be a stable part of the Lakers future.Also, they picked up Mo Evans in maybe the best draft day trade there was....WOW.^That's for last eyars draft,obviously not anywhere near all time just wanted to clear that up but, yeah!^</div>The Evans deal wasn't even close to being one of the best trades all time, but it was a great move. Maurice Evans is having a great season with the Lakers. Cheick Samb will never become a good NBA player, the Lakers made a good draft choice by giving him away.
