Merged: The Draft Thread For Stuff About The Draft Including Thoughts About The Draft

OT: anyone recall any other top 2 player who wouldn't work out for the #1 overall team? Ball will not work out for Celtics, or any other team besides the Lakers.

 

Can't wait until Magic gives Ball the middle finger

 

He won't though. 100% they will select him. I wonder what the plan was for LaVar if Lakers had lost that pick to 76ers. Actually I think they would have pulled Lonzo out of the draft.

 

if I go for a 3rd guard I like either Donovan Mitchell, or Frank Jackson as a later pick

 

It kind of makes sense to take a guard with 20 or 26 if that's the best/close to the best player available. To trade all our 3 picks plus maybe more, which it would take to move us into position to draft Dennis Smith (he won't go lower than 8th and could even be top 6 ahead of Monk and Isaac) it would be monumentally irresponsible and against any logic.

I'd trade up for Tatum, Isaac or Collins. I wouldn't for any of the guard or Markkanen.

 

Actually a lot of good stuff in there:

 

I got mixed up with the first and second quotes. First one is about John Collins, not Zach.. took me a little time to realize that because I skimmed through lol.

I don't like John Collins at all. His bread-and-butter is a turn and face floater out of the post. He shoots that shot above college defenders. In the NBA however, that shot won't be available at all. PFs will be bigger than him (Collins is an underzied 6'9.5 in shoes with only a 6'11 wingspan), and he won't be able to get a turn and shoot-in-your-face floater off.

I don't think he's athleticism makes up for his below-average length. While he was dunking on some dudes in college, they were much smaller and less athletic than NBA bigs. I don't think Collins will be able to just dunk on centers, and his finishing package around the rim isn't elite. I think he'll struggle in the NBA because he'll have to adjust and contort layups to shoot around bigs, and he doesn't have that skillset.

His offense won't translate. He has the skills of a C, and is undersized for a PF. This is the same reason why I don't like Rabb. Call it the Thomas Robinson effect, the Anthony Bennett effect, or whatever you want to. Undersized PFs don't succeed unless they have a repertoire of skills, and neither of those dudes do.

Defensively, he'll be very bad. His technique is poor, he's not strong in the low post, and he's undersized. He probably doesn't have the footspeed to stay in front of NBA 4s either. His feel for the game isn't great either.

There's nothing good about John Collins as a prospect. I gauruntee that Jonah Bolden will be a better NBA player. However, John Collins could easily get draft 13th or 14th, with teams looking at his ACC resume and thinking that it will somehow transfer to the pros.

 

In my mock draft from a couple weeks ago, I had D.J. Wilson going 23rd (while DX had him projected in the 30s) and Ivan Rabb going 31st (while DX had him projected in the early 20s).

Well, DXs mocks are trending that way. They have D.J. Wilson above Rabb now, with Wilson projected to go 27th and Rabb projected to go 28th.

 

I will throw one argument against trading for PG13...

Curry > Lillard
Thompson > McCollum
Durant > George
Green = Nutkic.... Maybe

 

Nutkic on purpose?

 

No but definitely an epic typo

 

What an idiot.

"Be the team in waiting". AKA, don't take a risk to contend, sit on mediocre players, wait for until C.J. and Dame are near the end of their primes, and hope that the young players we have acquire along the way give us a two-year window of competing.

Most likely scenario from that? We are a 3rd-4th seed level team that cant make the WCF because there's another superteam that formed from free agent acquisitions or something like that.

Dwight wants us to not take a risk to get really good, instead wants us to stay mediocre because GSW will "fade". Guess what Dwight, somebody will replace GSW, and do we then wait longer because it's too risky to try to compete with them? FFS.

 

Disagree on CJ and Klay. One is an elite shooter and another is an elite scorer, CJ can get his own shot..Klay, not so much. He isn't some elite ball handling wizard.

 

I dont think Curry has much of an edge. Curry and Thompson have a very slight edge over Lillard and McCollum. Durant has a slight edge over George. Nurkic is better than Green or anyone else they got. We'd have to get some good veterans via free agency (MLE, BAE) or trade, but I think we could build a better bench than theirs. I think we could compete with them, and beat them in a series in 1 of 3 years (if George stays). That would mean a finals trip. I'd take that.

 

Put Thompson in McCollums role and he gets exposed.

 

I agree with that as long as we are only talking about the offensive side of the ball.

 

Are we forgetting that benches matter? I'm not really that impressed by anyone on Golden State's bench. Their starting 5 would still get the nod over ours though, even with PG13. If we added George though, we could possibly get a couple of ring chasing vets as well.

 

If the Blazers somehow did get George, the veterans willing to come on cheap deals wouldn't come this year but next year after the Blazers had proven that they were legit contenders. They would have to get to the WCF and take the Warriors to at least 6 games for that to happen IMO.

 

And vice versa. Clay is twice the defender.