<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Mar 3 2007, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not a homer Asufan. I could care less about our great season so far. This means sh*t to me, I don't want a record breaking REGULAR season. I want a championship and if we don't win one, I will be extremely disappointed.</div>Rok, you know you is ma homes. I was talking to Saint.
2. Even if you guys had the depth that you did you still wouldn't be a contender like the Suns were that year.We have the depth and yeah we would, if Josh was out Gump or Buck would step up. We go 12 men deep, we dont have to worry about what we are going to do once 8 of our players get tired..3. They really aren't on another level, if both teams were healthy the whole season they would have very close records, not what it's at now. The Suns are just as good.Your acting as if it's much of a difference. I am not discrediting the Suns mind you, all I am saying is that we are on another level. It's not my fault your team can't be healthy and maybe it wouldn't affect you as much if your team was deep now would it?4. It would piss me off greatly, just like how it is now with Mavs fans not even thinking the Suns are much of a threat because of the style they play when they really are.Where did any Mavs fan say the Suns aren't much of a threat. They are the biggest threat in the playoffs imo because of the way they play. I've been watching run and gun ball since Nelly implemented it back in 99 and mind you I know it's weaknesses and so do the Mavs, we know what to do to stop it it's all a matter of executing it.5. Check out the difference in point differentials though, the Suns are a better scoring team so therefore will be in higher scoring games. When they are healthy they keep teams to low FG%'s and can cause some turnovers and block some shots. We also have a better rebounding team than the old Mavs did.The Suns differential is 7.9 while the Mavs was 7.8 that looks pretty damn close to me. You act as if the Mavs didn't play defense at all when the Mavs opp FG% was 43.8% and the Suns right now are 45.6%. And rebounding, the Suns average right now 40.7 rpg while the Mavs averaged 42.1 rpg meaning we were the better rebounding team, no?6. Sometimes, but if they really need inside scoring Amare has the ability to dominate and no one on the Mavs can contain him.We had someone who can slow him down in DJ Mbenga but he is injured and I'm not gonna use that excuse. Damp may not be able to stop him but he could sure as hell try and slow him down and limit his touches.7. We played 2 7-game series and had some big injuries and we took you guys to 6...More impressive than losing a 2-0 lead and a big lead in Game 3 against a much inferior team after a 6-game series.Lol again with us choking in the finals, how many times do I have to say it? WE CHOKED! We played less games but really the Suns should have beaten the Clippers and Lakers in less than 7 games, no? You act as if the Mavs had a cake walk... We played the Grizz and beat them in 4, had rest which initially hurt us against SA in the first game and we came out and beat them. Yeah that was a helluva series between San Antonio, so many close games, so much tiring defense, so much tiredness, it gets you tired, no? And then we had to play the hungry Suns. The Suns gave us a good series, all the games were competitive and tiring for the Mavs and Suns, but the better team came out and won on your home floor. The reason I think we choked was being tired, that and a few questionable calls but we don't need to go into that.You Mavs fans can continue being homers if you wish, you'll just be even more crushed when you lose if you fail to see how close the Suns are. It's dumb to pretend that it's a fact. These teams are both at the same level, both are ahead of the pack.Call me homer, call me fan, call me enthusiast, call me idiot. I don't care. But I know the Mavs are better than the Suns, even if we are getting giddy about winning 50 games before losing 10 and on track for a magical 70 win season. And you say I don't recognize the Suns for being good when I give them props all the time. The Mavs are at the bottom of a new level above everyone else, but the Suns are reaching the top of the level below that of which the Mavs are at, get what I'm saying?
No one on your bench is even close to the same level as Howard, you guys would struggle, it's stupid to say otherwise. Buckner isn't even close to Howard. It's like saying James Jones can replace Marion, and while JJ has some great skills we would definitely struggle without him. Anyways...I'll go with Rok and say we'll let the playoffs show who is the better team. I really can't wait for that because I really like our chances. I missed Amare's dominance against the Spurs so hopefully I'll get some of that this year. I think he would've made the difference last year for us and no team would've come close, but the Mavs are also better so it should be a great series. 7 games either way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Mar 4 2007, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No one on your bench is even close to the same level as Howard, you guys would struggle, it's stupid to say otherwise. Buckner isn't even close to Howard. It's like saying James Jones can replace Marion, and while JJ has some great skills we would definitely struggle without him. Anyways...I'll go with Rok and say we'll let the playoffs show who is the better team. I really can't wait for that because I really like our chances. I missed Amare's dominance against the Spurs so hopefully I'll get some of that this year. I think he would've made the difference last year for us and no team would've come close, but the Mavs are also better so it should be a great series. 7 games either way.</div>Dirk and Jet would pick up the scoring load which they are definitely capable of and Buck and Gump would play the defense.And true, when they meet in the playoffs it will be a fun 7 game series.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Saint Baller @ Mar 3 2007, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dirk and Jet would pick up the scoring load which they are definitely capable of and Buck and Gump would play the defense.And true, when they meet in the playoffs it will be a fun 7 game series.</div>Not if Jet missed 2 games and can't shoot because he can't get any lift from a calf injury. :happy0144: I guess it would be more fair to do that to Devin Harris though.
Thats where our depth kicks in see. Jet gets hurt Devin picks up the slack, Josh gets hurt Gump or Buck picks up the slack etc..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Saint Baller @ Mar 3 2007, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thats where our depth kicks in see. Jet gets hurt Devin picks up the slack, Josh gets hurt Gump or Buck picks up the slack etc..</div>But if both get hurt you guys are in trouble. Diop and Damp both got eachother but when you lose 3 starters it will ALWAYS hurt. You guys wouldn't pass the 2nd round, what the Suns did was amazing with the players they lost which is why I hate people talking about them not being able to win because of the style of play. I'm confident that our top 8 is the best there is though so hopefully we won't get anything serious this year. With Burke playing better and Jones too I think we can survive a loss of Kurt or Raja, but any of the big 3 getting hurt will kill.Edit: and you keep talking about how your depth would help when you have key injuries, but shouldn't depth also help with fatigue which isn't as tough to get past as injuries? The Suns had both fatigue and injuries more than the Mavs and still took them to 6. I really don't see another level between the two.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Mar 3 2007, 10:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think they are the favorites, but they aren't the hands-down favorites. If the Suns are healthy come playoff time I think it will be a very tight series, if they were as lucky as the Mavs with their health right now they'd have close to the same record so I say the Mavs are the hands-up favorites right now, not so much hands-down. </div>Hey not even I would say they'd sweep any series in the play offs...I think they are the clear cut favorites, but I can see SA or PHX taking them out. Both teams scare me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Mar 4 2007, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But if both get hurt you guys are in trouble. Diop and Damp both got eachother but when you lose 3 starters it will ALWAYS hurt. You guys wouldn't pass the 2nd round, what the Suns did was amazing with the players they lost which is why I hate people talking about them not being able to win because of the style of play. I'm confident that our top 8 is the best there is though so hopefully we won't get anything serious this year. With Burke playing better and Jones too I think we can survive a loss of Kurt or Raja, but any of the big 3 getting hurt will kill.Edit: and you keep talking about how your depth would help when you have key injuries, but shouldn't depth also help with fatigue which isn't as tough to get past as injuries? The Suns had both fatigue and injuries more than the Mavs and still took them to 6. I really don't see another level between the two.</div>But when your in a tight game that is going to the wire do you want your benchies in or your starters?Your startes because they are the better players and since most of our games were tight thats how they got fatigued.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Saint Baller @ Mar 4 2007, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But when your in a tight game that is going to the wire do you want your benchies in or your starters?Your startes because they are the better players and since most of our games were tight thats how they got fatigued.</div>Your "benchies" would have played at other parts of the game to keep the starters fresh for the end. Just sayin...because not having the players the Suns did also contributes to fatigue.
I'm not going to be a homer on this. The mavs would struggle big time without Howard. The suns though were never short of offensive weapons. Losing Stoudemire was redundent as they still had no problem scoring with Diaw being a factor in a different way. Unfortunately for the suns I don't think Diaw fits in that well once Stoudemire came back as Stoudemire is getting the ball instead of Diaw. They also had Tim Thomas which was a matchup nightmare for any mavs center to guard him on the perimeter. Thank goodness Diop came to the challenge of stopping Diaw because Van Horn was horrible in that series. So to summarize this the suns are definitely better with Stoudemire but the lost of Thomas and Diaw not getting involved allows Dallas to match up better this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Mar 4 2007, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's because he is. Melo061 always ims me about what Nitro says to him and we just laugh because we see he has something against the Mavs. He'll probably reply to this, and say he has nothing against them. But that's only like in every debate he's in, he's blind to his own words.</div> No, it isn't something secret. He doesn't like them like I don't like the heat. I think he dislikes them because they are overhyped.What I don't get is that he has said the mavs haven't proven anything. Thats true and 100% correct. But then in the same breath says the suns will beat the mavs. It doesn't even make sense, if you're going to knock a team down for something then you have to be consistent. The suns haven't proven they can get further than the mavs,
By the way, I don't think the mavs will win the ring. I don't have any argument for it other than gut instinct. I think it'll either be the spurs or houston, one of them will win the ring.
Spurs I can see, I don't agree with it of course...But I don't think the Rockets have what it knock out two of these three teams PHX, Dallas, or SA, to make it to the Finals...which they'll have to do.I fully think they are capable of playing all three tough, and maybe forcing a game 7 agaisnt them...and possibly knocking off 1 of the 3, but in no way do I think they can take out two of those three...They don't have enough talent after Yao(if he's healthy, and even if he is, they haven't played great with both him and TMac in the lineup) and TMac(who'll probably get hurt anyways and make this a moot arguement, lol).
Yeah I don't see Houston having a chance to win it all. The spurs could do it but it will be very tough to knock out both Phoenix and Dallas. Dallas I believe has the easiest road to the finals of all the western conference playoff teams. Houston I feel is the 4th best team in the West.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Mar 4 2007, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your "benchies" would have played at other parts of the game to keep the starters fresh for the end. Just sayin...because not having the players the Suns did also contributes to fatigue. </div>But the game was tight from the begining so the bench players didn't get time on the floor, get what I am saying?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 4 2007, 02:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not going to be a homer on this. The mavs would struggle big time without Howard. The suns though were never short of offensive weapons. Losing Stoudemire was redundent as they still had no problem scoring with Diaw being a factor in a different way. Unfortunately for the suns I don't think Diaw fits in that well once Stoudemire came back as Stoudemire is getting the ball instead of Diaw. They also had Tim Thomas which was a matchup nightmare for any mavs center to guard him on the perimeter. Thank goodness Diop came to the challenge of stopping Diaw because Van Horn was horrible in that series. So to summarize this the suns are definitely better with Stoudemire but the lost of Thomas and Diaw not getting involved allows Dallas to match up better this year.</div>The difference is that Amare really can't be stopped. If he shoots at a low percentage in a couple games(which I expect since your centers are damn good defenders) he'll still get people in foul trouble and knock in some free throws to get to his 20 points. I see him close to doubling Diaw's offseason points. He's just a much better low post scorer, a better defender and rebounder and he was a big loss.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Saint Baller @ Mar 4 2007, 07:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But the game was tight from the begining so the bench players didn't get time on the floor, get what I am saying?</div>Just saying though, you say the Suns should've had more depth and that would have helped them, but they lost 3 key players along the way, had a very tough road full of physical tight games and had to play a better team, the Mavs, than the Mavs played in the Finals. They were in a much worse position in which depth wouldn't help. It wouldn't help the Mavs either I don't think, but that's all over now and I can't go back and see how you guys would do without 3 of your better players.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Mar 4 2007, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The difference is that Amare really can't be stopped. If he shoots at a low percentage in a couple games(which I expect since your centers are damn good defenders) he'll still get people in foul trouble and knock in some free throws to get to his 20 points. I see him close to doubling Diaw's offseason points. He's just a much better low post scorer, a better defender and rebounder and he was a big loss.</div>The difference though as this year the mavs centers aren't useless like they were last year as they are needed more than ever to slow down Amare. Amare is not good enough from outside to force them out of the game unlike Tim Thomas. Though Amare is more dominant the spacing on the floor isn't as good because Dampier and Diop can camp out in the paint and alter shots since they are in the vicinity of Amare.
