Do you really think we need Oden? Jefferson has been playing like a seasoned big man, and at 21 I think, is looking like he's going to be a top 5 PF/C in the NBA for years to come. We have Perkins, solid rebounder and holds his own on the defensive end, Gomes, a good weakside rebounder that can hit jumpers and post smaller guys up, and Powe, who I know CB32 likes too, who can come in and get some nice hustle plays, and can turn into a decent role player and rebounder. This recent little streak has made me think, do we really need him with Al dominating the way he is? Have TWO dominant big men could present some problems with the obvious benefits it would bring. This team has seemed dare I say complete over this stretch. They have Paul and Al, the one two, scoring/bigman combo that you often see with the top teams. They have solid role players, especially next year when Allen and Szczerbiak get back and healthy. They have a sharp shooter off the bench and the future in Gerald. My question is, what would you think of getting a top flite point guard? Trading the pick away, with Telfair, Ratliff, a few other small parts to make ends meet, for a top point man? Then another trade, one of the guards or wings, to bring in a decent big to go along with Al. No one special just someone who is solid and can give us depth and solid play night in and night out. That could leave us with a main roster and rotation players consisting of Pierce, Al, Wally, Gerald, Allen, Delonte, Perkins, Gomes, Powe, Scal, Rondo, and whichever PG and big we acquire (minus whoever we would trade for the big we would get). I think that could make us a top team in the East. Because I really don't see this team being successful with Delonte at the point. Nothing against D, I love him and I think he's going to be really important for us, but the point isn't the position for him. I love Rondo too, but I don't think we can afford to waste Pierce's years while waiting for Rondo to develop into the point guard we all hope he's going to be. I really don't know what I think about this yet, whether I think this is the way to go or not, just some thoughts I had and wanted to get out there and see what you guys thought about it.
No, but you also don't really need Durant either. But an Oden/Jefferson frontline in a few years could be amazing, as could a Durant/Jefferson combo once Pierce gets out of Boston (whether it be trade, FA signing, retirement, etc..).All you guys really lack is experience, depth, and coaching.
I agree getting Oden would be awesome, and make us a better team. I just don't know if getting another big man to go along with Al would be our best option to potentially improve.
Yeah, we don't need a franchise changing 7 footer who dominates defensively... Of course we need a true center like that. Big Al has been outstanding, and I am 99.9% sure he will be a 20+/10+ All-Star, but you need a center. Kendrick Perkins is NOT going to get the job done for us. I am convinced that Perk is a career backup. A very serviceable and solid one, but a backup. Yanks, you say you're not sure if you think we basically "need" another big to pair with Al, correct? Well, who's going to defend for us on the other end? Who is going to help take all the pressure off Big Al down there? We need somebody. If we go into next season with the same #1 center, Perk, then we have a problem. Think about it: When Al has the ball down low, you attack him and double him. You know you don't have to worry about doubling Perk, Scal, or Ryan Gomes down there. With Oden, if you double Al and leave Oden open for a shot and/or in perfect position for a rebound, then you are screwed. Then you look at the defensive side of things. Sure, Al will block a shot or two every night, but he's not a guy you rely on defensively. Oden dominates the defensive low post. He's not just a shot blocker. He's a shot changer, he's another 10 rpg threat, he's a legit 7 footer with strength, he gets position BEAUTIFULLY, and he can lock you down in the post without even having to swat your shot. We do need a legit center to pair with Al down there.
I want Oden just as much as anyone but CelticsBalla you say we need a true center. Aside from the starting lineup which lasts about 5 minutes. Al is pretty much playing center for a significant of the game. Kendrick will come in and out and play center but AL was playing center down the stretch of today's game and there are many lineups during the game where plays center. Also when Gomes was starting at the 4 earlier on in the season, Al was starting at center and doing a fantastic job. In fact, he really started to turn it on when he was moved to the 5 when Kendrick was out. I'm not saying I don't want Oden, Obviously it's hard to turn down a guy like Oden who can sense a block 30 seconds before it happens. I'm just merely saying AL could probably be a good center in this league if we didn't have the chance to land a guy like Oden.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Mar 4 2007, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I want Oden just as much as anyone but CelticsBalla you say we need a true center. Aside from the starting lineup which lasts about 5 minutes. Al is pretty much playing center for a significant of the game. Kendrick will come in and out and play center but AL was playing center down the stretch of today's game and there are many lineups during the game where plays center. Also when Gomes was starting at the 4 earlier on in the season, Al was starting at center and doing a fantastic job. In fact, he really started to turn it on when he was moved to the 5 when Kendrick was out. I'm not saying I don't want Oden, Obviously it's hard to turn down a guy like Oden who can sense a block 30 seconds before it happens. I'm just merely saying AL could probably be a good center in this league if we didn't have the chance to land a guy like Oden.</div> Al is playing center, and he is doing a very nice job, but the reason he's playing so much center is because we don't HAVE a real center to put in there with him. I agree that Al can succeed at the 4 and the 5, but yanks makes it sound like "screw Oden, we have Al." I mean, if you can get a guy like Greg Oden, you jump all over that without hesitation. Could Al succeed at the 5? Yes, but saying that "Oh, we don't need Oden" is absurd, in my opinion.
Yeah the Oden/Jefferson combo is just too good to pass up. those two along with Pierce could be an insane front court. Just for thought in we don't have the #1.....Al at the 5Durant at the 4Pierce at the 3damn....that lineup looks pretty f*cking good too
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ Mar 4 2007, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah the Oden/Jefferson combo is just too good to pass up. those two along with Pierce could be an insane front court. Just for thought in we don't have the #1..... Al at the 5 Durant at the 4 Pierce at the 3 damn....that lineup looks pretty f*cking good too</div> Of course. I mean we have a ton of possibilities. I just can't wait until June so we will actually find out what's going on with this team. If we don't get a top 2 pick, I doubt Ainge keep that pick and selects. He will trade it in a package with Ratliff and a young player or two. If he does indeed keep it, I don't see Pierce staying much longer unless Ainge pulls the impossible out of his ass. EDIT: The Oden/Jefferson combo would be the poor man's version of Robinson/Duncan. Add Paul Pierce to that mix... wow. The best front court in the East without question.
I don't think I said what I wanted to say correctly. I mean, I'd love to see Oden here, but I just thought what if there were other things that could fix us IF we didn't get the necessary pick to get Oden. I want us to have Oden, and I really was kind of confused with my first post as I was writing it. I just wanted to kind of get some conversation going about something other than the games going on right now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Mar 4 2007, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think I said what I wanted to say correctly. I mean, I'd love to see Oden here, but I just thought what if there were other things that could fix us IF we didn't get the necessary pick to get Oden. I want us to have Oden, and I really was kind of confused with my first post as I was writing it. I just wanted to kind of get some conversation going about something other than the games going on right now.</div> Yeah, I agree 100% that we need other discussion. I'm happy you started this thread. But I see what you are saying: if we unfortunately don't get the #1 pick, is this franchise still fixable? Yes, it is. But every team needs a true center, especially one like Oden who is a defensive force. By the way you worded the title and post, it made it sound like you meant "Forget Oden, we have Al, go after someone different."
I've noticed recently that we do have a very good team, just the injury bug has been a killer this season and throughout the season we have watched Green, Al, Gomes and Rondo (and even Scal) all begin to contribute more and more as the season goes on. Some of our young players are beginning to break out and work together as a team. I'm really impressed with what I've seen over the past few games, even without a rookie savior, this team could be something to fear next season, but Oden would be nice up in the front court, I don't think we need Oden or Durant, but it would only make this team even better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Mar 5 2007, 12:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I agree 100% that we need other discussion. I'm happy you started this thread. But I see what you are saying: if we unfortunately don't get the #1 pick, is this franchise still fixable? Yes, it is. But every team needs a true center, especially one like Oden who is a defensive force. By the way you worded the title and post, it made it sound like you meant "Forget Oden, we have Al, go after someone different."</div>I don't really know, I guess you could take it one of two ways..."Do we really need Oden" as in we can still get by and be a winning team without him.or"Do we really need Oden" as in we don't really need him at all.I meant it to sound like the first one, but if you thought it was the 2nd one I don't blame you at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (grizz101 @ Mar 5 2007, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No you don't need Oden.....Memphis does :beerchug:</div>But we would be the better team if we had Oden though. Pau, Oden and who Rudy Gay as the backcourt? Not as good as Oden, Al and Pierce.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (celticman50 @ Mar 6 2007, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yes we need oden...he will be great with al</div>Do you ever backup your post with any reasoning? I've seen a couple of your best just say " yeah him" and other stuff like that.
The Celtics don't need any picks this year to make the playoffs next year. All their players are developing enough. But, they can easily win the Atlantic if they get Oden, in my opinion. Add that with a second round pick of Sean Williams, and you have a scary lineup with a deep frontcourt.
Well, it wouldnt hurt having Oden along with Jefferson. Jefferson would get alot of the touches on the offensive end, and Oden would be the dominant defensive force. And if one of the two got alot of attention on the offensive end, the other one would be able to do even better. To be honest, I really want Durant in green more right now. He just has the ability to take over a game more. And if we already have a big man downlow to be the scorer, having a guy like Durant would be even better. Although I think I would pick Oden over Durant, I just like Kevin more and want to see him in a C's uniform more.
to think we dont need oden is just ridiculous. Oden will instantly put us in contention for a low playoff spot IMO and the core we can build around with our slew of young wing men is just unfair in the long run. If our players pan out and become the players we hope they will, watch out NBA.rondogeraldpiercealodenunstoppable
